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you're in the para cast the gold

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standard of paranormal radio now here's

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gene Stein

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so Chris O'Brien is on special

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assignment or away for the holidays in

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fact I had a brief contact with Nick red

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firm the other day and he was amazed

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that I'm actually working

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he said gene it's a holiday take a break

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man well I just never do that

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I don't think I've ever missed an

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episode of the power cast we've been

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doing it for 11 years so our guest

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co-host is Jay

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Randall Murphy Randall welcome back

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yes glad to be here now I should point

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out something one of the wacky reviewers

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of the show in iTunes is really upset

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that sometimes we take members of the

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forum and make them co-hosts on the show

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he seems to forget that we do that

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because we have a lot of smart people

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who listen to the show and participate

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in the forums so they're so you've just

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been complimented Randall suck it up hey

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I'm good with that I think it's one of

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the things that makes the pair of casts

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stand out from other shows actually our

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guest is another contributor to that

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book UFO is reframing the debate edited

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by Robbie Graham we've had other guests

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and this time we've invited Susan

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Demeter st. Claire and she has an

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interesting essay entitled making

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mountains out of mashed potatoes UFOs as

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a Paris psychological event Susan

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welcome to the podcast

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hi thank you for having me on the show I

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am very excited to talk to you today

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when I look at the title you know I

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think of yeah Close Encounters of the

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Third Kind absolutely I was I was

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thinking of the film one of my favorite

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films of all time when I was writing the

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essay in particular because the film

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itself it's a wonderful film and and I

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think that because it's borrowed

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heavily from actual UFO events it pretty

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much gives you a really good sort of

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idea of some of the strangers sort of

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synchronicities telepathy and other sort

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of high strangeness that goes along with

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UFOs so I was thinking of the character

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and the building of the mashed potatoes

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and how he was sort of obsessed at the

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time when I was writing the essay and

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and of course it was coming close to the

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40th anniversary of the film and that's

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where the title comes from so you were

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right on right on the money with that

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and that's even before I read the

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chapter but we think of the Richard

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Dreyfuss character iconic UFO witness

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and the thing I want to know is when

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they filmed that did they use real

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mashed potatoes or something else to

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simulate mashed potatoes never actually

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pondered that but I think probably I

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mean they tend to use I don't know why

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but the movie psycho just popped in my

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head and how they were using they were

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using like maple syrup they were using

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syrup and that's to simulate the the

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sort of the bloody scene so maybe in the

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filmmaking they use actual mashed

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potatoes to build the the mashed potato

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mountain I'm just guessing I don't

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really know that would be a question

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more for Robbie Graham who edited our

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book he has the silver screen saucers so

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he discusses the film and more of that I

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guess the they would have more knowledge

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on the technical side of the filmmaking

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one thing I did learn and of course we

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all know about the famous little segment

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of about 510 seconds where dr. J Alan

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Hynek a technical adviser to the film

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appears and what I learned from his

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biographer is that Hynek got a mere

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thirty five hundred dollars for

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everything he did for this film and we'd

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not have gotten anything or any

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recognition had he not heard about it

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and written a Steven Spielberg offering

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to help that's Hollywood for you yeah

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that's Hollywood and and and it's

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unfortunate and and I think that that's

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the case with a lot of UFO researchers

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and other paranormalists and that that

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you have some really good people that

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are working quietly behind the scenes

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and not too many people know of them

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well you have more of the showmanship

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and not that is is more readily

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available maybe more accessible to

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Hollywood so you

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more of that than sort of the people

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like Hynek who really did contribute a

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lot to our knowledge whatwhat limited

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knowledge we do have about UFOs a lot of

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that did come from from allen hynek's

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work you know they're making a TV series

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called blue book yeah an Irish actor has

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been named to play J Allen Hynek

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somebody from Game of Thrones as a

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matter of fact I had his name before I

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have to look it up again I was

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mentioning it last week when we had Kurt

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Collins doing our supplementary show

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after the power cast but they're gonna

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present this how Hynek begins to rebel

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from his position as kind of the

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spokesperson for Project Blue Book

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trying to put down these cases and he

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starts to believe what's going on and

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then they also have someone playing his

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wife Mimi so that's gonna be interesting

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except that if they're going to take all

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that artistic license

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I wonder how true to life it'll be but

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after all with reality shows are not

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true to life reality shows are not

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reality before we get into a case

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histories and such what's your feeling

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about all these reality shows about UFOs

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and ghosts and stuff to me it's just a

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scripted drama done on the entertainment

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and I think partly it's because like we

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as human beings we tend to be

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voyeuristic so we kind of like to see

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what's going on in other people's lives

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and what's happening it's the paranormal

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is obviously lends itself well to

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entertainment it's exciting it's

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mysterious it's strange but anybody

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who's worked in television understands

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that yes the minute you bring in script

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writers there's no reality there they're

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these shows have story arcs for instance

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um so we're kind of following sort of

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the drama's of the investigators the

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investigators themselves tend to be

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actors so some shows are better quality

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than others like I really liked the

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Leonard Nimoy original in search of type

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shows where you had sort of a historical

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sort of reenactment of the event and

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then you might have some analysis or

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discussion of what happened versus now

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what we have more which is yes it's

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it's a slightly reality there's some

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maybe some reality basis in there they

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you might go to interesting locations

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where paranormal events occurred but the

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actual stories that go behind the

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reality TV really don't resemble reality

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I don't want to say it's like I don't

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want to totally put it down because I

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know there are people that enjoy these

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shows and for me I would enjoy it more

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as like that as a travel log so they go

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to interesting places and that but I I

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take what's going on with a grain of

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salt

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now one shall we've mentioned on the air

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is haunted which is hosted by our friend

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Paul Kimball and Holly Stevens and it's

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a decent show because number one the

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episodes for half an hour each one and

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the two that I saw we offer them to para

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cast plus members but you have to write

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the Paul to get the password I mean it's

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really done on secret here and I thought

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they had a solid grounding in the way

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they did it but they are for a few

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things that are clearly having fun but

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they do it in a way that you know

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they're having fun they're not

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presenting it as something Hey look at

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this you're just using it as part of the

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experience they're investigating these

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strange things and then they try to add

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entertaining shatter and elements but

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again in a way that you know what

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speak to that particular program because

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I haven't seen it yet but I do feel that

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yes especially the people that actually

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have had true experiences or they feel

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sort of passion for these subjects

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certainly there are there are

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documentaries that have been done that

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are really well done and you can have

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something that is educational as well as

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being entertaining because of course we

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all want to be entertained we're not

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gonna we're not going to want to tune in

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and watch but there are ways to do it

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that can be more as you said that it's

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more honest so so we know that what

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representation and maybe there's an

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interesting you know an interesting

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location and that well at the same time

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being entertaining but I know I'm gonna

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have to look into it and have a watch of

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the show for sure well right now it is

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only in Canada it hasn't made it across

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to the US it just came out they just

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your country yeah so we it's interesting

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today you and I did know Randall as a

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fellow Canadian high in Calgary where we

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just were having a beautiful chinook and

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I want to ask you about your 1990

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experience Susan but right now Randall

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had a question go ahead please okay well

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that might just fit right in because

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before the break we were talking about

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media and that's how I think most people

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are introduced to the phenomena because

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not everyone's a witness so people will

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become interested through finding a book

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in the old days and these days more

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online and cable television but I wanted

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to ask how it is that you became

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interested in yourself Susan and of

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course we asked everyone that but you

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shouldn't be any exception well I was I

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guess initiated I try to use the word

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initiated or I have been using it more

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lately into this sort of UFO sort of

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craziness or UFO reality when I was 23

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years old

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prior to that I had interests in the

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paranormal I sort of had a sort of

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strange childhood where

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I had had experiences but I had more or

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less written them off as to just

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childhood imagination and then at 23 I

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had a UFO experience with with my

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brother-in-law at the time that sort of

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like radically shifted my view of these

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things because I actually witnessed one

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myself and what happened is is that it

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was I think it was a Monday evening it

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was November 4th 1990 and I had been

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watching this this program I it was

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Alvira mistress of the dark we're

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watching this Elvira mistress movie and

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it was getting late and I had two small

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children at the time and I thought I'm

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gonna you know lock up because I lived

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at the time on on this tenth floor condo

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and I had this huge sort of patio sort

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of balcony that overlooked towards Lake

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Ontario and these huge sliding glass

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doors that I had like locks on the top

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because my children were small so I kept

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that secure and I got up and I went to

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go and lock these sliding glass doors

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and and I noticed this sort of this huge

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red light just out seemingly outside

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towards the lake and where the Pickering

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nuclear plant was I had a clear view of

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that and it sort of I was looking at it

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for the first thing I thought was is

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this a reflection from the television

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screen behind me this is something from

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the movie so I look behind and I looked

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at no no no this is actually outside so

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I walked out onto the balcony and I

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looked at this thing for a few seconds

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thinking what the what the heck is this

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thing and I called out to my

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brother-in-law and he came out and and I

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was pointing it as I said what do you

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think this thing is and I am looking at

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it and this is large sort of almost

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octagonal shape red glowing thing in the

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sky in the vicinity of the nuclear power

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plant and I was thinking this is not a

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helicopter this is not a plane this is

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not this is yeah it's very this weird

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thing and it was pulsing my

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brother-in-law I think he was the first

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one he said to me I think I think we're

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looking at a UFO I was of course shocked

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I had goosebumps all over Zand my mind

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was processing all this and then we were

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sort of we were watching it

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sort of like kind of freaking out at

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this point as this thing was pulsing and

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pulsing and then to me it sort of it

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imploded on itself and it shot straight

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up into the sky and and I was shocked

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and actually it wasn't until quite

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awhile later that I remembered a strange

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point a bit of high strangeness

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if this wasn't strange enough that in my

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mind I remembered thinking to myself

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they know they whoever they are they

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know we can see them

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my brother-in-law and I we stayed up all

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night not my my ex-husband now he was

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also he had fallen asleep on the couch

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and he remembered hearing all this and

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to this day he sort of kind of kicks

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himself thinking why didn't I get up off

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the couch while I these two were sort of

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you know yelling oh my god we're seeing

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a UFO but we stayed up all night we're

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trying to talk about it like what is

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this that we witnessed did we really see

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this what's going on I scanned the

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newspapers the next day I mean this was

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1990 there was no internet so I wasn't

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really I really didn't know who to

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contact or what to do or I didn't even

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know that there was such a thing as a

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MUFON or anything like that and I had

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talked to my father briefly and he he

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absolutely was convinced of the reality

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of my experience because at that time

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strangely enough then he admitted he had

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also seen a UFO in the 1950s over the

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Gulf of Mexico but anyway getting back

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to it I just sort of I began reading

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books I went to the library I I found a

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book the one by Allen Hynek I found an

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address in the back for Koufos and I I

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wrote him a letter and and it came back

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return to sender at the time I didn't

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know he had passed away and it just sort

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of it sat with me for four years until

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sort of more the late 90s as my children

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got older and I was reading more and

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more and then I sort of I found MUFON

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and then I started investigating spook

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lights and doing things like that so

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that that 1990 experience really is what

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brought me into UFOs prior to that I had

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some interest in spooky things I used to

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like reading Nancy Drew books when I was

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kid and and not always ended up with

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some sort of skeptical interpretation at

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the end it was always you know or sir

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scooby-doo old man Jenkins is the cause

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of the ghosts sorta but that experience

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in 1990 changed sort of my whole my sort

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of cosmology my worldview because here

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was this thing I couldn't deny and I I

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had someone I trusted and I was very

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close with who was also had the same

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experience at the same time and that's

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what brought me into the sort of the

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realm of UFOs fabulous welcome to the

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family it's a strange one that's for

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sure

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do you ever regret that movement I have

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at times yes because it it changed the

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course of my life I think in in various

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ways and UFOs have I this wasn't the

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this wasn't the only UFO experience I

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had I had another one in 2001 and then I

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had another one in 2016 that were

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undeniable to me because they they were

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multiple witnesses and they were more or

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less a close range thing they've come to

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me UFOs seem to come to me at pivotal

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moments in my lifetime and they sort of

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have shaped the course of where I've

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been going they view them almost as

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guideposts for me personally and

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sometimes those guideposts are not are

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there they're kind of painful to live

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through when I had my experience in 2001

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I had become quite the skeptic I joined

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a skeptical organization and then I had

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the 2001 experience that I couldn't at

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that point I couldn't deny UFOs at all

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at all

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altogether and I just I went completely

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the opposite way and I'm kind of where I

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am now but it has affected various

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points in my life I'm gonna ask you

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about the skepticism how you got

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involved in that

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Susan Demeter's st. Claire is joining us

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for the first time it won't be the last

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with Jean and Randall you're in the para

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[Music]

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thank you for listening to GCN

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were a member of a skeptics organization

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here at that time ask you about that

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after you do the rest of the discussion

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because we're talking about issues with

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like anything unusual well go ahead with

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the conversion to temporarily at least a

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skeptic yes well actually I did actually

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learn a lot from the MUFON investigative

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handbook and I did I did make other

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friends and various actually American

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chapters of me fun that that became

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friends of mine and that were sort of

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helping me and guiding me with an

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investigation of a spook light here in

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in Canada where I was able to determine

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with another group of people I had been

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working with that the main spook light

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that people were seeing were actually

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car headlights and in origin so I was

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actually very proud of that this is okay

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I've solved something this is kind of

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cool which was met with a lot of

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resistance and then of course with the

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with the UFO community in general I mean

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there are some very good people but

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there are a lot of very odd people

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people that are very passionate about

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their own belief and what they believe

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is the causation of UFOs and I was

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becoming very very rapidly disillusioned

692
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with the entire UFO community and I was

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finding a lot more acceptance and

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feeling more comfortable in the

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skeptical community and of course I was

696
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self examining too I mean years had gone

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by since I had the experience and I was

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thinking well did I really really see

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what I thought I saw was it really

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something that was not maybe naturally

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explainable somehow I was starting to

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self doubt in my own sort of self

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analysis

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and that was the position I was in when

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in 2001 I was sort of on a hike with a

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girlfriend of mine we were walking again

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near the vicinity of the nuclear power

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plant and and this time both of us

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started having sort of strange sort of

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sensations this was a evening

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so about say maybe 8 o'clock 9 o'clock

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in the evening and it was in in July and

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so the Sun was just starting to go down

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and I was seeing all this light playing

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out over the horizon of the lake and at

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first I thought maybe or these

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reflections off boats or off that the

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boys that are in the water there are the

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buoys but I started feeling very strange

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and then she started feeling very

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strange too like as we started walking

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out towards the parking area through

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this pathway the sort of hiking trail up

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over the sort of escarpment there

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overlooking the lake that's when this I

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had the second UFO sighting and this was

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close range this was like a

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diamond-shaped and it looked like a

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spaceship craft lights descended down

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from it and they were playing out over

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the water my friend was witnessing this

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of course we didn't have our cameras we

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didn't have cellphones we didn't have

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anything at this time but it was so

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close and it was so dramatic and it just

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it shocked the hell out of me and I

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thought no this is whatever this is it's

738
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real this is real it's happening and at

739
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that point in time not just sort of I

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couldn't go back to the skeptics after

741
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that I I didn't feel that I could I had

742
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a place there anymore because I had this

743
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such a close range and dramatic

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00:31:02,520 --> 00:30:59,620
experience that I knew that there was a

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reality to it no matter what kind of

746
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questions I had is to as to the exact

747
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nature of that reality or the exact

748
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causation I still am NOT a hundred

749
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percent certain what it is but I

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couldn't go back to where I was in that

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00:31:19,980 --> 00:31:17,110
safe sort of and I view that I've used

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00:31:22,410 --> 00:31:19,990
skepticism as a safe sort of place to be

753
00:31:24,510 --> 00:31:22,420
because these experiences are so the

754
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life-altering and they're so irrational

755
00:31:29,280 --> 00:31:26,590
and they're so crazy that there is

756
00:31:31,050 --> 00:31:29,290
almost comfort being a skeptic but I

757
00:31:33,419 --> 00:31:31,060
couldn't be there anymore I couldn't be

758
00:31:35,190 --> 00:31:33,429
in that place even though I appreciated

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that time because I learned a lot I

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learned

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about how to you know look for hoaxing

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00:31:44,180 --> 00:31:41,279
look at frauds things that which is

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00:31:45,350 --> 00:31:44,190
rampant in parapsychology and ufology

764
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and all these things there's a lot of

765
00:31:50,810 --> 00:31:47,490
hoaxing there's a lot of fraud as well

766
00:31:52,609 --> 00:31:50,820
including the real genuine stuff I had

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that learning experience but again I

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couldn't stay there because all of us on

769
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this there's this UFO and and I couldn't

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00:32:01,580 --> 00:31:59,249
deny it at that point Randall and I

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00:32:04,310 --> 00:32:01,590
disagree on this to some degree but the

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00:32:07,249 --> 00:32:04,320
prevailing viewpoint in the UFO field

773
00:32:09,560 --> 00:32:07,259
not what I subscribe to necessarily is

774
00:32:11,840 --> 00:32:09,570
that these are spaceships from elsewhere

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and we have all these earth possible

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earth-type planets we discover

777
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exoplanets so maybe that's happening do

778
00:32:21,950 --> 00:32:17,999
you think you saw a spaceship or

779
00:32:24,169 --> 00:32:21,960
something else I think that what I saw

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00:32:26,210 --> 00:32:24,179
absolutely looked like a spaceship

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00:32:28,399 --> 00:32:26,220
but I don't think it necessarily behaved

782
00:32:30,769 --> 00:32:28,409
as a spaceship I lost sight of it

783
00:32:32,180 --> 00:32:30,779
because it seemed to slightly it almost

784
00:32:34,669 --> 00:32:32,190
seemed to be hanging there in the air

785
00:32:37,190 --> 00:32:34,679
like like a kite like it looked like

786
00:32:40,279 --> 00:32:37,200
this solid giant thing that was almost

787
00:32:42,080 --> 00:32:40,289
but waving like a kite and then it just

788
00:32:44,299 --> 00:32:42,090
sort of turned slightly and just

789
00:32:46,759 --> 00:32:44,309
vanished but that's how both of us lost

790
00:32:50,629 --> 00:32:46,769
sight of this thing was it a spaceship

791
00:32:53,690 --> 00:32:50,639
maybe I don't particularly think so I I

792
00:32:55,879 --> 00:32:53,700
used to really really buy into the ETH

793
00:32:59,180 --> 00:32:55,889
as the causation of UFOs I must admit

794
00:33:01,879 --> 00:32:59,190
but it was around the time of 2001 and

795
00:33:05,149 --> 00:33:01,889
even after that I started again self

796
00:33:06,950 --> 00:33:05,159
examining and realizing that yes it all

797
00:33:09,590 --> 00:33:06,960
seems to point to aliens from outer

798
00:33:12,169 --> 00:33:09,600
space it certainly something wants us to

799
00:33:14,659 --> 00:33:12,179
believe that but I believe it because I

800
00:33:16,940 --> 00:33:14,669
wanted it to be true I really did

801
00:33:18,590 --> 00:33:16,950
because I do believe that there is life

802
00:33:21,230 --> 00:33:18,600
out there somewhere I don't think we're

803
00:33:24,739 --> 00:33:21,240
alone do I think it's the cause of UFOs

804
00:33:27,649 --> 00:33:24,749
I don't know I suspect not but I could

805
00:33:29,690 --> 00:33:27,659
be wrong I know that's sort of a sort of

806
00:33:31,399 --> 00:33:29,700
answer that's not really I'm not

807
00:33:33,950 --> 00:33:31,409
committing one way or another but I you

808
00:33:36,049 --> 00:33:33,960
tend to move away from the ETH but I'm

809
00:33:38,210 --> 00:33:36,059
not a hundred percent ready to discount

810
00:33:40,129 --> 00:33:38,220
it we can move into that again in a

811
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moment but I wanted to just circle back

812
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to something you said that you try to be

813
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part of MUFON and in the local chapter

814
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you were seeing sexism now you've been

815
00:33:52,320 --> 00:33:49,929
seeing a lot of issues we

816
00:33:55,440 --> 00:33:52,330
ran several episodes where we talked

817
00:33:58,680 --> 00:33:55,450
about I call the MUFON Follies we had a

818
00:34:00,749 --> 00:33:58,690
former head of research we had a state

819
00:34:03,480 --> 00:34:00,759
director James Clarkson who was on the

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show we even had Jan Harz an on the show

821
00:34:07,440 --> 00:34:05,889
the current executive director and we

822
00:34:09,119 --> 00:34:07,450
were asking all these questions about

823
00:34:11,369 --> 00:34:09,129
their inner circle where you get in

824
00:34:13,859 --> 00:34:11,379
there not for any other reason than

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giving at least $5,000 in donations and

826
00:34:18,720 --> 00:34:16,419
there's one or two wacky people in that

827
00:34:21,930 --> 00:34:18,730
list and we talked about the fact that

828
00:34:26,339 --> 00:34:21,940
they seem to be less interested in

829
00:34:30,089 --> 00:34:26,349
investigating UFOs than evangelizing eth

830
00:34:31,740 --> 00:34:30,099
yes that their last symposium they were

831
00:34:33,720 --> 00:34:31,750
talking about the secret space program

832
00:34:35,909 --> 00:34:33,730
and they have people who claim to be

833
00:34:38,309 --> 00:34:35,919
time travelers there and they're looking

834
00:34:40,049 --> 00:34:38,319
evidently for the entertainment factor

835
00:34:42,210 --> 00:34:40,059
and this is something we're very

836
00:34:45,750 --> 00:34:42,220
concerned about and that plus

837
00:34:48,510 --> 00:34:45,760
resignations of state directors and we

838
00:34:50,280 --> 00:34:48,520
had some discussions with erica luke's

839
00:34:54,780 --> 00:34:50,290
who used to be associated with MUFON I

840
00:34:57,900 --> 00:34:54,790
don't know if you know who she is Erica

841
00:35:01,380 --> 00:34:57,910
I really appreciate her well erica was

842
00:35:03,480 --> 00:35:01,390
telling us about sexism at MUFON and

843
00:35:06,960 --> 00:35:03,490
that upsets me to lots of degrees

844
00:35:11,460 --> 00:35:06,970
especially now in this society where

845
00:35:13,530 --> 00:35:11,470
sexism means in some levels abusing

846
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women and a lot of people are doing it

847
00:35:16,440 --> 00:35:15,190
and people are doing it unconsciously

848
00:35:19,440 --> 00:35:16,450
that's why you're hearing all these

849
00:35:22,230 --> 00:35:19,450
things about well I touched her you know

850
00:35:24,599 --> 00:35:22,240
what but they do it unconsciously I

851
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think a lot of people like a Senator

852
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Franken and you can say anything you

853
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want about his politics liberal

854
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conservative whatever I think he's

855
00:35:35,280 --> 00:35:33,490
typical of people who just may be

856
00:35:38,609 --> 00:35:35,290
affectionate towards people and don't

857
00:35:40,770 --> 00:35:38,619
understand the boundaries yes there is

858
00:35:43,260 --> 00:35:40,780
that as well like we have a long way as

859
00:35:46,260 --> 00:35:43,270
a society to move forward away from that

860
00:35:48,690 --> 00:35:46,270
so there's various degrees of sexism but

861
00:35:53,460 --> 00:35:48,700
I think the sexism that you start seeing

862
00:35:55,380 --> 00:35:53,470
with in ufology and George Hansen is one

863
00:35:57,180 --> 00:35:55,390
of the people who write about this in

864
00:35:59,190 --> 00:35:57,190
the paranormal and the trickster the

865
00:36:02,730 --> 00:35:59,200
trickster in the paranormal in his book

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00:36:05,849 --> 00:36:02,740
is sexual deviance and that's often

867
00:36:09,150 --> 00:36:05,859
accompanies these very strange strange

868
00:36:12,240 --> 00:36:09,160
topics and I think that what we see is a

869
00:36:14,880 --> 00:36:12,250
little bit more towards the bad sort of

870
00:36:17,309 --> 00:36:14,890
thing not just the innocent sexism that

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maybe we could say okay with Al Franken

872
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did with sexist but at the same point is

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he a very bad man I mean that's in the

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eye of the beholder

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what's happening in the UFO circles is a

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little bit different than than what

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we're seeing in the broader mean sort of

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discussion let's do that discuss that

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sexism in ufology and more Susan Demeter

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st. Claire J Randall Murphy Jean

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um Jean Steinberg Susan let's continue

980
00:41:36,789 --> 00:41:34,369
this discussion for a few moments about

981
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sexism and ufology I want to get to your

982
00:41:40,660 --> 00:41:39,170
essay in a moment and I think we framed

983
00:41:42,999 --> 00:41:40,670
some of your viewpoints about the

984
00:41:46,809 --> 00:41:43,009
subject where we can get in there but

985
00:41:49,779 --> 00:41:46,819
let's go into this further first okay I

986
00:41:53,229 --> 00:41:49,789
I think that like I said with the UFO

987
00:41:55,239 --> 00:41:53,239
community the topic of sexism the topic

988
00:41:57,880 --> 00:41:55,249
of this sort of sexual deviance that

989
00:42:00,819 --> 00:41:57,890
occurs again is it's been discussed

990
00:42:02,979 --> 00:42:00,829
quite at length and by George Hansen for

991
00:42:05,859 --> 00:42:02,989
one in the trickster the paranormal and

992
00:42:09,099 --> 00:42:05,869
it's I think it's something that really

993
00:42:11,259 --> 00:42:09,109
does need more sort of scholarly sort of

994
00:42:13,380 --> 00:42:11,269
perhaps examination as part of the the

995
00:42:17,349 --> 00:42:13,390
sort of subculture of the UFO community

996
00:42:19,420 --> 00:42:17,359
it's very strange I mean you see that in

997
00:42:21,699 --> 00:42:19,430
all the way from really horrific things

998
00:42:24,819 --> 00:42:21,709
such as the pedophilia accusations with

999
00:42:28,209 --> 00:42:24,829
more than one prominent UFO personality

1000
00:42:31,089 --> 00:42:28,219
I believe Stan Romanick is one there are

1001
00:42:33,880 --> 00:42:31,099
others all the way to two other strange

1002
00:42:35,349 --> 00:42:33,890
aspects of you find people like one of

1003
00:42:38,709 --> 00:42:35,359
the MUFON heads and I forget his name

1004
00:42:41,170 --> 00:42:38,719
now was before Jan taking over

1005
00:42:43,150 --> 00:42:41,180
he owned a sort of a company where he

1006
00:42:46,150 --> 00:42:43,160
was flying up people to join the the

1007
00:42:48,789 --> 00:42:46,160
mile-high club I mean that's that's one

1008
00:42:50,199 --> 00:42:48,799
thing I'm certainly not a prude but you

1009
00:42:52,779 --> 00:42:50,209
have to notice that the head of this

1010
00:42:55,299 --> 00:42:52,789
this major community that speaks is sort

1011
00:42:57,069 --> 00:42:55,309
of that's his side job is he's sort of

1012
00:43:01,499 --> 00:42:57,079
in a sort of sex industry sort of

1013
00:43:05,529 --> 00:43:01,509
position that's David McDonald yeah

1014
00:43:08,589 --> 00:43:05,539
there's a whole sort of something else

1015
00:43:11,170 --> 00:43:08,599
is going on there and I feel that that

1016
00:43:14,380 --> 00:43:11,180
may actually be sort of a side effect

1017
00:43:17,739 --> 00:43:14,390
almost to the phenomenon itself is this

1018
00:43:20,109 --> 00:43:17,749
sort of it's strange marginalized sort

1019
00:43:22,630 --> 00:43:20,119
of characters and then you have sexism

1020
00:43:25,509 --> 00:43:22,640
and sexual deviance and other things

1021
00:43:27,519 --> 00:43:25,519
that are very very weird that occur

1022
00:43:29,799 --> 00:43:27,529
within the greater community and

1023
00:43:31,779 --> 00:43:29,809
certainly within ones that's tend to

1024
00:43:32,650 --> 00:43:31,789
sort of come up the ranks and sort of be

1025
00:43:35,289 --> 00:43:32,660
sort of the spokes

1026
00:43:37,710 --> 00:43:35,299
people for the UFO phenomena or for the

1027
00:43:40,180 --> 00:43:37,720
UFO research community I should say

1028
00:43:43,809 --> 00:43:40,190
should I continue this growing up in the

1029
00:43:46,510 --> 00:43:43,819
60s Matt this is a time where we had the

1030
00:43:49,049 --> 00:43:46,520
so-called sexual revolution and I saw

1031
00:43:53,109 --> 00:43:49,059
things happening in the UFO field not

1032
00:43:55,779 --> 00:43:53,119
unpleasant or anything as far as me my

1033
00:43:58,930 --> 00:43:55,789
first wife Geneva were concerned but we

1034
00:44:00,910 --> 00:43:58,940
were aware of a lot of things that she

1035
00:44:03,520 --> 00:44:00,920
actually wrote a book about at one time

1036
00:44:05,730 --> 00:44:03,530
that wasn't published at the time I

1037
00:44:08,950 --> 00:44:05,740
don't know whether she'd ever consider

1038
00:44:11,200 --> 00:44:08,960
putting it together it's really so

1039
00:44:14,380 --> 00:44:11,210
reflective of the times like I said the

1040
00:44:15,970 --> 00:44:14,390
late sixties early seventies it probably

1041
00:44:17,920 --> 00:44:15,980
wouldn't have an audience today if it

1042
00:44:20,500 --> 00:44:17,930
did then it was more like a personal

1043
00:44:22,270 --> 00:44:20,510
diary I'll leave it at that I don't even

1044
00:44:24,309 --> 00:44:22,280
know if we have the manuscript anymore I

1045
00:44:26,109 --> 00:44:24,319
think it might be interesting I think I

1046
00:44:28,599 --> 00:44:26,119
would love to see a movie done on

1047
00:44:31,000 --> 00:44:28,609
something like that that time frame

1048
00:44:33,430 --> 00:44:31,010
especially but it is it is something

1049
00:44:36,910 --> 00:44:33,440
that is definitely part of that sort of

1050
00:44:39,579 --> 00:44:36,920
UFO subculture and it can go all the way

1051
00:44:42,309 --> 00:44:39,589
from pedophilia and and and and horror

1052
00:44:45,250 --> 00:44:42,319
to other cult-like behavior and other

1053
00:44:49,180 --> 00:44:45,260
sort of things that are occurring within

1054
00:44:50,829 --> 00:44:49,190
the community okay so what I would say

1055
00:44:53,410 --> 00:44:50,839
to that is we really need to be careful

1056
00:44:55,630 --> 00:44:53,420
there because I think what's happening

1057
00:44:58,089 --> 00:44:55,640
there is is we're mapping something that

1058
00:45:01,120 --> 00:44:58,099
takes place in virtually every other

1059
00:45:03,549 --> 00:45:01,130
sector of society on to something that

1060
00:45:06,190 --> 00:45:03,559
we happen to be interested in so no

1061
00:45:10,420 --> 00:45:06,200
stranger to this in and say you know

1062
00:45:13,420 --> 00:45:10,430
hockey coaching and church and the legal

1063
00:45:16,089 --> 00:45:13,430
system in politics and and in the media

1064
00:45:17,620 --> 00:45:16,099
and in entertainment it's all over the

1065
00:45:20,470 --> 00:45:17,630
place and so if you pick out any

1066
00:45:22,569 --> 00:45:20,480
particular cultural aspect of society

1067
00:45:24,849 --> 00:45:22,579
and you go digging for that that's what

1068
00:45:28,690 --> 00:45:24,859
you're going to find so I'm not sure

1069
00:45:30,579 --> 00:45:28,700
that that's really to just pick out

1070
00:45:32,049 --> 00:45:30,589
ufology for though that's that's why I'm

1071
00:45:34,390 --> 00:45:32,059
saying that there needs to be some sort

1072
00:45:36,670 --> 00:45:34,400
of more scholarly look in this specific

1073
00:45:39,700 --> 00:45:36,680
area of the subculture but it is

1074
00:45:42,700 --> 00:45:39,710
certainly there there is a dominant sort

1075
00:45:44,930 --> 00:45:42,710
of undercurrent of this that people

1076
00:45:46,690 --> 00:45:44,940
maybe don't want to acknowledge and I

1077
00:45:48,740 --> 00:45:46,700
think that I like I'm only I'm

1078
00:45:51,079 --> 00:45:48,750
speculating here I don't have hard

1079
00:45:53,359 --> 00:45:51,089
statistics that you're going to find

1080
00:45:55,970 --> 00:45:53,369
that it is actually more more

1081
00:45:59,089 --> 00:45:55,980
statistically higher in this in this

1082
00:46:03,109 --> 00:45:59,099
sort of strange sort of subculture that

1083
00:46:04,940 --> 00:46:03,119
we have then in the general public I

1084
00:46:06,920 --> 00:46:04,950
mean certainly it's there it's there in

1085
00:46:08,839 --> 00:46:06,930
politics it's it's it's absolutely there

1086
00:46:10,910 --> 00:46:08,849
in Hollywood it's it's and it's all over

1087
00:46:13,880 --> 00:46:10,920
but I'm just saying that it that is

1088
00:46:16,390 --> 00:46:13,890
there within UFOs as well what I would

1089
00:46:18,410 --> 00:46:16,400
say is you've made some really valid

1090
00:46:19,849 --> 00:46:18,420
comments and I've been going through

1091
00:46:22,670 --> 00:46:19,859
some of the stuff on your site about

1092
00:46:25,160 --> 00:46:22,680
cyberbullying and I think that takes

1093
00:46:27,620 --> 00:46:25,170
place you know in a variety as well but

1094
00:46:29,120 --> 00:46:27,630
I you know on the skeptic side of things

1095
00:46:31,160 --> 00:46:29,130
I mean I've been literally brought to

1096
00:46:33,530 --> 00:46:31,170
tears by the skeptics on one of the

1097
00:46:37,730 --> 00:46:33,540
skeptics forums and had to go through

1098
00:46:39,859 --> 00:46:37,740
some fairly unsettling lengths to get

1099
00:46:42,349 --> 00:46:39,869
some things retracted from the website

1100
00:46:45,470 --> 00:46:42,359
that they were saying oh yeah no

1101
00:46:48,109 --> 00:46:45,480
absolutely the skeptics I see I see them

1102
00:46:50,690 --> 00:46:48,119
as the sort of flipside of the absolute

1103
00:46:53,030 --> 00:46:50,700
true believers in their passions but the

1104
00:46:55,720 --> 00:46:53,040
skeptics can be quite brutal and they

1105
00:46:58,400 --> 00:46:55,730
seem to think that they have sort of

1106
00:47:00,559 --> 00:46:58,410
science on their side and if anything

1107
00:47:04,930 --> 00:47:00,569
and in many ways they're sort of anti

1108
00:47:07,849 --> 00:47:04,940
science because they will try and and

1109
00:47:11,109 --> 00:47:07,859
blanket statement that everything that

1110
00:47:13,099 --> 00:47:11,119
is going on here is some sort of the

1111
00:47:16,220 --> 00:47:13,109
terminology like woowoo and that which

1112
00:47:17,569 --> 00:47:16,230
is terrible you know and and they

1113
00:47:19,790 --> 00:47:17,579
sometimes come up with the most

1114
00:47:24,650 --> 00:47:19,800
ridiculous things to try and describe

1115
00:47:26,480 --> 00:47:24,660
some of these experiences and it's

1116
00:47:30,109 --> 00:47:26,490
because they have their own mindset they

1117
00:47:31,819 --> 00:47:30,119
so are so believing in their anti faith

1118
00:47:34,160 --> 00:47:31,829
they eat their lives borders on

1119
00:47:36,589 --> 00:47:34,170
religious sell a tree in my opinion it's

1120
00:47:38,630 --> 00:47:36,599
it's militant it's horrible you have

1121
00:47:41,000 --> 00:47:38,640
there's certainly an element in that

1122
00:47:42,920 --> 00:47:41,010
spectrum that does that they believe

1123
00:47:45,500 --> 00:47:42,930
that it's perfectly fair and they even

1124
00:47:47,680 --> 00:47:45,510
say this perfectly fair to use things

1125
00:47:50,660 --> 00:47:47,690
like ridic ridicule and belittlement and

1126
00:47:52,520 --> 00:47:50,670
embarrassment in order to impress their

1127
00:47:56,240 --> 00:47:52,530
point on people because they feel that

1128
00:47:57,460 --> 00:47:56,250
it's their duty to expose what they see

1129
00:48:01,630 --> 00:47:57,470
is something that is

1130
00:48:05,410 --> 00:48:01,640
untrue or fraudulent who else uses those

1131
00:48:07,150 --> 00:48:05,420
tactics religious zealots exactly people

1132
00:48:08,560 --> 00:48:07,160
that bang on your door and say you know

1133
00:48:11,109 --> 00:48:08,570
you better believe this or you're going

1134
00:48:12,520 --> 00:48:11,119
to help and they feel compelled the same

1135
00:48:14,710 --> 00:48:12,530
way the skeptic it's just another

1136
00:48:16,510 --> 00:48:14,720
religious movement they don't like to

1137
00:48:18,220 --> 00:48:16,520
hear that but it's true there's a

1138
00:48:22,660 --> 00:48:18,230
certainly an aspect of that and I

1139
00:48:25,390 --> 00:48:22,670
listened to your audio essay on the

1140
00:48:28,359 --> 00:48:25,400
sexism and cyberbullying in ufology with

1141
00:48:30,220 --> 00:48:28,369
the example in the UK of the woman who

1142
00:48:34,599 --> 00:48:30,230
was threatened just for wanting to

1143
00:48:36,220 --> 00:48:34,609
express her views or say ask a couple of

1144
00:48:39,099 --> 00:48:36,230
questions and in her mind seem to be

1145
00:48:42,370 --> 00:48:39,109
perfectly legitimate and yet here we had

1146
00:48:45,310 --> 00:48:42,380
sort of examples of someone reacting in

1147
00:48:47,859 --> 00:48:45,320
a way that was was threatening and in a

1148
00:48:50,230 --> 00:48:47,869
very physical way and that's just as

1149
00:48:52,750 --> 00:48:50,240
such poor taste and and behavior it's

1150
00:48:55,480 --> 00:48:52,760
it's it's shameful to the community to

1151
00:48:58,330 --> 00:48:55,490
even have that kind of thing come out at

1152
00:49:01,180 --> 00:48:58,340
all yes and I think it's important that

1153
00:49:04,120 --> 00:49:01,190
we speak out against that sort of thing

1154
00:49:05,710 --> 00:49:04,130
like I am all for the idea of just sort

1155
00:49:08,500 --> 00:49:05,720
of letting everybody sort of do their

1156
00:49:09,940 --> 00:49:08,510
own thing because to answer these types

1157
00:49:11,740 --> 00:49:09,950
of questions I don't think we'll ever

1158
00:49:13,990 --> 00:49:11,750
answer them in our lifetime but if we do

1159
00:49:15,849 --> 00:49:14,000
or if we're even gonna come scratching

1160
00:49:17,770 --> 00:49:15,859
that surface we need all sorts of types

1161
00:49:19,390 --> 00:49:17,780
of people sort of doing their own thing

1162
00:49:22,329 --> 00:49:19,400
and coming together and sharing when

1163
00:49:24,579 --> 00:49:22,339
they feel it's appropriate to share but

1164
00:49:27,490 --> 00:49:24,589
if you have people that are so rigid and

1165
00:49:30,099 --> 00:49:27,500
thought that they are willing to attack

1166
00:49:32,950 --> 00:49:30,109
other people and bully them in such a

1167
00:49:35,040 --> 00:49:32,960
way no then it's important that we we

1168
00:49:37,540 --> 00:49:35,050
step up and say no this is unacceptable

1169
00:49:40,030 --> 00:49:37,550
you know you can believe what you want

1170
00:49:42,640 --> 00:49:40,040
and maybe you're right maybe your view

1171
00:49:44,410 --> 00:49:42,650
is the correct one I don't know I don't

1172
00:49:47,410 --> 00:49:44,420
even pretend to know what what is really

1173
00:49:49,660 --> 00:49:47,420
going on here but it's important that we

1174
00:49:52,089 --> 00:49:49,670
as a community to reject this whether

1175
00:49:54,099 --> 00:49:52,099
it's online and it's mostly online

1176
00:49:56,170 --> 00:49:54,109
because I don't think people I think

1177
00:49:59,560 --> 00:49:56,180
people in person realize how socially

1178
00:50:01,599 --> 00:49:59,570
unacceptable this type of thing is which

1179
00:50:04,240 --> 00:50:01,609
is why I did it as an audio I wanted to

1180
00:50:06,520 --> 00:50:04,250
repeat the perpetrators words exact

1181
00:50:08,470 --> 00:50:06,530
words and put it in the idea of people's

1182
00:50:09,790 --> 00:50:08,480
minds that you know how would you feel

1183
00:50:10,840 --> 00:50:09,800
if you were standing in front of this

1184
00:50:12,820 --> 00:50:10,850
person and they were

1185
00:50:15,160 --> 00:50:12,830
this to you I mean he was threatening to

1186
00:50:16,750 --> 00:50:15,170
tear her head off and and murder her and

1187
00:50:19,330 --> 00:50:16,760
rip her spine this is a mother this is

1188
00:50:22,900 --> 00:50:19,340
this is a human being you this is not

1189
00:50:24,490 --> 00:50:22,910
socially acceptable so no we have to we

1190
00:50:26,800 --> 00:50:24,500
can't and it doesn't matter who they are

1191
00:50:28,360 --> 00:50:26,810
with the skeptics believers whoever if

1192
00:50:30,250 --> 00:50:28,370
you're gonna behave that way then

1193
00:50:32,560 --> 00:50:30,260
there's no point in even listening to

1194
00:50:34,960 --> 00:50:32,570
you and we as a community that has to be

1195
00:50:36,310 --> 00:50:34,970
made abundantly clear yeah I think

1196
00:50:38,620 --> 00:50:36,320
there's some lines that you just

1197
00:50:40,720 --> 00:50:38,630
shouldn't cross you know you have a

1198
00:50:43,390 --> 00:50:40,730
research interest in institutional and

1199
00:50:45,130 --> 00:50:43,400
change dynamics responses to anomalies

1200
00:50:47,740 --> 00:50:45,140
and how they may interact and enact

1201
00:50:51,280 --> 00:50:47,750
change within groups large institutions

1202
00:50:53,920 --> 00:50:51,290
such as a military Paris sociology and

1203
00:50:57,280 --> 00:50:53,930
direct experimentation with social sigh

1204
00:50:59,140 --> 00:50:57,290
yes so you know how might we apply that

1205
00:51:01,240 --> 00:50:59,150
to something like ufology when there's

1206
00:51:02,860 --> 00:51:01,250
no real institutional structure you get

1207
00:51:05,230 --> 00:51:02,870
you can get these rogues that just go

1208
00:51:07,180 --> 00:51:05,240
off and and behave this way how do we

1209
00:51:11,200 --> 00:51:07,190
how can you is there a way do you think

1210
00:51:12,730 --> 00:51:11,210
you can apply that to mythology guys

1211
00:51:15,180 --> 00:51:12,740
let's break and then we'll go into it

1212
00:51:17,200 --> 00:51:15,190
now we're getting into the weeds folks

1213
00:51:18,940 --> 00:51:17,210
and I'm going to also want to know

1214
00:51:21,640 --> 00:51:18,950
whether there's anything in the reality

1215
00:51:23,590 --> 00:51:21,650
of UFOs that attract certain kinds of

1216
00:51:25,270 --> 00:51:23,600
people but that makes me you seem weird

1217
00:51:29,080 --> 00:51:25,280
because I've been doing it for so long I

1218
00:51:35,100 --> 00:51:29,090
won't say more with jean randall Susan

1219
00:51:35,110 --> 00:51:38,670
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1270
00:54:04,200 --> 00:53:59,890
welcome back into the para cast the gold

1271
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1272
00:54:15,039 --> 00:54:12,890
here's Jane Steinberg Randall if you

1273
00:54:21,489 --> 00:54:15,049
ever wanted to become a singer don't

1274
00:54:26,109 --> 00:54:21,499
quit your day job I've tried it never

1275
00:54:28,450 --> 00:54:26,119
went anywhere let's go on here okay you

1276
00:54:30,940 --> 00:54:28,460
know I really want just emphasize my

1277
00:54:33,039 --> 00:54:30,950
point though because we're talking about

1278
00:54:36,130 --> 00:54:33,049
different kinds of people attracted to

1279
00:54:38,200 --> 00:54:36,140
UFO research paranormal research etc do

1280
00:54:41,380 --> 00:54:38,210
you think is anything in the reality of

1281
00:54:43,210 --> 00:54:41,390
such phenomena that attracts a certain

1282
00:54:45,190 --> 00:54:43,220
class of people or is it strictly

1283
00:54:47,259 --> 00:54:45,200
because the general public doesn't

1284
00:54:50,710 --> 00:54:47,269
really take it that seriously except

1285
00:54:53,160 --> 00:54:50,720
that maybe an entertainment fashion that

1286
00:54:55,599 --> 00:54:53,170
people who were a little bit offbeat

1287
00:54:58,239 --> 00:54:55,609
begin to look at subjects like this I

1288
00:55:00,670 --> 00:54:58,249
think that there was an interesting

1289
00:55:02,410 --> 00:55:00,680
study done by my friend Jeff fritzman

1290
00:55:05,799 --> 00:55:02,420
which was quite scholarly and it's

1291
00:55:08,349 --> 00:55:05,809
project core they had a look at this and

1292
00:55:11,019 --> 00:55:08,359
and and there's reams of information in

1293
00:55:13,479 --> 00:55:11,029
regards to this in parapsychology not so

1294
00:55:15,729 --> 00:55:13,489
much in ufology I think the only real

1295
00:55:17,769 --> 00:55:15,739
dominant thing and in regards to

1296
00:55:19,599 --> 00:55:17,779
witnesses is witnesses

1297
00:55:21,309 --> 00:55:19,609
tend to especially the ones who go in to

1298
00:55:23,890 --> 00:55:21,319
have multiple experiences tend to be

1299
00:55:25,329 --> 00:55:23,900
very creative types of people you know

1300
00:55:27,609 --> 00:55:25,339
they are singers they are musicians

1301
00:55:30,069 --> 00:55:27,619
they're artists they're writers they're

1302
00:55:31,989 --> 00:55:30,079
just or just people in general that tend

1303
00:55:33,940 --> 00:55:31,999
to have a sort of playful sense about

1304
00:55:37,120 --> 00:55:33,950
them that was one of the things that I

1305
00:55:39,279 --> 00:55:37,130
learned when I was talking to dr. Joel

1306
00:55:40,749 --> 00:55:39,289
Wheaton about the famous project that

1307
00:55:43,720 --> 00:55:40,759
was done here in the 70s called the

1308
00:55:46,269 --> 00:55:43,730
Filip phenomena and he was the one of

1309
00:55:47,620 --> 00:55:46,279
the primary technical directors from a

1310
00:55:49,599 --> 00:55:47,630
psychiatric standpoint on this

1311
00:55:51,460 --> 00:55:49,609
experiment which basically what they

1312
00:55:53,440 --> 00:55:51,470
were doing is they were trying to create

1313
00:55:56,380 --> 00:55:53,450
a ghost or poltergeist out of a

1314
00:55:58,779 --> 00:55:56,390
fictional story and they were doing this

1315
00:56:01,359 --> 00:55:58,789
based with people that they had pooled

1316
00:56:03,099 --> 00:56:01,369
from sort of the general public but the

1317
00:56:04,329 --> 00:56:03,109
one thing that they really looked for in

1318
00:56:06,279 --> 00:56:04,339
these people that they were going to

1319
00:56:08,499 --> 00:56:06,289
bring together to do sort of like a mock

1320
00:56:09,230 --> 00:56:08,509
seance with this sort of fictional story

1321
00:56:12,740 --> 00:56:09,240
to see if they can

1322
00:56:15,080 --> 00:56:12,750
create a real ghost was they chose from

1323
00:56:17,750 --> 00:56:15,090
people that were playful people that

1324
00:56:19,940 --> 00:56:17,760
were creative and and I think that

1325
00:56:22,790 --> 00:56:19,950
that's what Jeff had found as well is

1326
00:56:25,490 --> 00:56:22,800
that with the with the UFO witnesses

1327
00:56:27,020 --> 00:56:25,500
they tend to be creative people but

1328
00:56:28,910 --> 00:56:27,030
other than that it seems to be across

1329
00:56:30,380 --> 00:56:28,920
the board people different sort of

1330
00:56:33,859 --> 00:56:30,390
educational backgrounds different

1331
00:56:36,230 --> 00:56:33,869
cultures all over the world there

1332
00:56:37,640 --> 00:56:36,240
doesn't seem to be many different things

1333
00:56:39,080 --> 00:56:37,650
that we can say okay this is the ideal

1334
00:56:41,000 --> 00:56:39,090
witness or this is the type of person

1335
00:56:44,390 --> 00:56:41,010
that is going to go on to become a UFO

1336
00:56:46,760 --> 00:56:44,400
witness that's my finding we seem to

1337
00:56:49,520 --> 00:56:46,770
have sort of a I don't maybe I'm just

1338
00:56:50,990 --> 00:56:49,530
noticing this because as Jeanne pointed

1339
00:56:53,120 --> 00:56:51,000
out I'm a really terrible singer but

1340
00:56:54,800 --> 00:56:53,130
I've also been a musician and it seems

1341
00:56:57,020 --> 00:56:54,810
like there's a fair number of musicians

1342
00:56:58,580 --> 00:56:57,030
that take an interest in this I mean

1343
00:57:00,680 --> 00:56:58,590
we've got the time to long guy we got

1344
00:57:03,140 --> 00:57:00,690
the Foo Fighters we've got had John

1345
00:57:06,590 --> 00:57:03,150
Lennon even back there's even a whole

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book on on people who are musicians who

1347
00:57:11,720 --> 00:57:09,630
have had these strange bizarre UFO

1348
00:57:14,180 --> 00:57:11,730
experiences and that includes me do you

1349
00:57:17,420 --> 00:57:14,190
play an instrument and of course we also

1350
00:57:20,359 --> 00:57:17,430
have the late reg Presley of the trogs

1351
00:57:23,780 --> 00:57:20,369
yes thing who wrote a book about crop

1352
00:57:26,150 --> 00:57:23,790
circles yeah I'm not I love music I was

1353
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married to a musician for many years but

1354
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III personally I can't really carry a

1355
00:57:34,430 --> 00:57:31,619
tune well that doesn't stop me I paint

1356
00:57:36,530 --> 00:57:34,440
though I do a lot of crafty type things

1357
00:57:39,140 --> 00:57:36,540
and within my own spirituality as well

1358
00:57:42,500 --> 00:57:39,150
so I do feel that I am a creative person

1359
00:57:46,310 --> 00:57:42,510
and then I also like to write so that's

1360
00:57:48,890 --> 00:57:46,320
sort of my my sort of UFO mojo is and

1361
00:57:53,180 --> 00:57:48,900
there is that but it does seem that

1362
00:57:55,040 --> 00:57:53,190
creative people tend to sort of dominate

1363
00:57:56,270 --> 00:57:55,050
and within the witness as the Malto the

1364
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multi witness there are people that go

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00:58:01,370 --> 00:57:57,890
on and they have a lot of experiences

1366
00:58:03,710 --> 00:58:01,380
different things I want to ask you now

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00:58:05,000 --> 00:58:03,720
let's go into this because we're a third

1368
00:58:07,580 --> 00:58:05,010
of the way into the show we haven't

1369
00:58:10,670 --> 00:58:07,590
gotten much into it the mountains out of

1370
00:58:12,230 --> 00:58:10,680
mashed potatoes mm-hmm and I wonder what

1371
00:58:15,590 --> 00:58:12,240
kind of mashed potatoes they used again

1372
00:58:18,830 --> 00:58:15,600
in that film here they use instant

1373
00:58:21,770 --> 00:58:18,840
mashed potatoes okay they'd have the

1374
00:58:22,850 --> 00:58:21,780
consistency of mashed potatoes I think

1375
00:58:25,760 --> 00:58:22,860
if you want something very

1376
00:58:28,130 --> 00:58:25,770
allistic you see nowadays that use CGI

1377
00:58:30,620 --> 00:58:28,140
but in those days you wanted mashed

1378
00:58:34,820 --> 00:58:30,630
potatoes you got mashed potatoes

1379
00:58:37,790 --> 00:58:34,830
tell us about your Odyssey about UFOs as

1380
00:58:40,790 --> 00:58:37,800
a parapsychological event because that's

1381
00:58:44,840 --> 00:58:40,800
not spaceships folks no that's not

1382
00:58:46,460 --> 00:58:44,850
spaceships basically I mean it could be

1383
00:58:49,210 --> 00:58:46,470
spaceships but I don't think so

1384
00:58:53,060 --> 00:58:49,220
I think I could represent spaceships I

1385
00:58:55,660 --> 00:58:53,070
think that what we need in ufology right

1386
00:58:58,670 --> 00:58:55,670
now is this the eth is is one thing but

1387
00:59:02,420 --> 00:58:58,680
it hasn't really brought us anywhere any

1388
00:59:04,370 --> 00:59:02,430
closer to our knowledge or or even

1389
00:59:08,410 --> 00:59:04,380
better questions as far as as far as

1390
00:59:11,120 --> 00:59:08,420
what ufos truly are so I'm just I'm

1391
00:59:13,970 --> 00:59:11,130
personally I have been exploring since

1392
00:59:18,520 --> 00:59:13,980
my days is a skeptic alternative ways of

1393
00:59:20,390 --> 00:59:18,530
looking at UFOs and one of those is to

1394
00:59:22,940 --> 00:59:20,400
to look at it from a pair of

1395
00:59:25,600 --> 00:59:22,950
psychological point of view and this is

1396
00:59:28,760 --> 00:59:25,610
taking lesson - maybe account the actual

1397
00:59:31,070 --> 00:59:28,770
nuts and bolts of the experience and

1398
00:59:33,320 --> 00:59:31,080
looking at the witnesses themselves and

1399
00:59:36,140 --> 00:59:33,330
sort of where they are in life and

1400
00:59:39,830 --> 00:59:36,150
really paying attention to the very

1401
00:59:41,540 --> 00:59:39,840
strange aspects that go along with UFO

1402
00:59:44,300 --> 00:59:41,550
experience that sometimes can be

1403
00:59:46,790 --> 00:59:44,310
discounted by the more nuts and bolts

1404
00:59:48,470 --> 00:59:46,800
type UFO researchers who are more

1405
00:59:50,240 --> 00:59:48,480
interested in what did the craft look

1406
00:59:52,640 --> 00:59:50,250
like what was the weather condition like

1407
00:59:55,640 --> 00:59:52,650
as if this is a truly materialistic only

1408
00:59:58,520 --> 00:59:55,650
event and they perhaps lose a lot of

1409
01:00:00,800 --> 00:59:58,530
sort of the richness and the complexity

1410
01:00:03,830 --> 01:00:00,810
of the experience by not really focusing

1411
01:00:06,530 --> 01:00:03,840
on the witnesses and the more strange

1412
01:00:08,660 --> 01:00:06,540
seeming details and and like it that

1413
01:00:10,280 --> 01:00:08,670
we're pretty much covered in the movie

1414
01:00:13,250 --> 01:00:10,290
between the two characters where you

1415
01:00:15,380 --> 01:00:13,260
have you have the the woman and her

1416
01:00:17,150 --> 01:00:15,390
little son and there's that iconic scene

1417
01:00:20,240 --> 01:00:17,160
of the little boy and he opens the door

1418
01:00:22,610 --> 01:00:20,250
and all his toys are like going crazy

1419
01:00:24,620 --> 01:00:22,620
and there's all these lights and the

1420
01:00:29,110 --> 01:00:24,630
house is shaking in that and and you get

1421
01:00:34,070 --> 01:00:32,000
experience that is going along with this

1422
01:00:36,140 --> 01:00:34,080
this sort of UFO thing that's compelling

1423
01:00:39,559 --> 01:00:36,150
this little boy outside into the fee

1424
01:00:41,559 --> 01:00:39,569
old and I think that if we start looking

1425
01:00:44,660 --> 01:00:41,569
at things from a parapsychological

1426
01:00:47,779 --> 01:00:44,670
viewpoint which has been done in the

1427
01:00:51,019 --> 01:00:47,789
past but is very rare to see that maybe

1428
01:00:53,539 --> 01:00:51,029
we can start pooling out more and

1429
01:00:55,609 --> 01:00:53,549
different bits of information that could

1430
01:00:58,880 --> 01:00:55,619
lead us and on to other sorts of avenues

1431
01:01:00,559 --> 01:00:58,890
to explore the UFO experience not just

1432
01:01:03,859 --> 01:01:00,569
the nuts and bolts so that that's what

1433
01:01:05,599 --> 01:01:03,869
I'm trying to with my essay for the book

1434
01:01:07,849 --> 01:01:05,609
reframing the debate is trying to point

1435
01:01:11,299 --> 01:01:07,859
out that there are a lot of really

1436
01:01:13,250 --> 01:01:11,309
strange strange aspects of the UFO

1437
01:01:16,970 --> 01:01:13,260
experience that could that could do with

1438
01:01:21,079 --> 01:01:16,980
sort of a UN parapsychological sort of

1439
01:01:22,849 --> 01:01:21,089
lenses and models to examine that aren't

1440
01:01:26,269 --> 01:01:22,859
taken into consideration and sort of

1441
01:01:28,900 --> 01:01:26,279
like the mainstream UFO sort of research

1442
01:01:31,519 --> 01:01:28,910
community if that makes sort of sense

1443
01:01:34,069 --> 01:01:31,529
then it makes perfect sense what's your

1444
01:01:35,960 --> 01:01:34,079
sort of favorite aspect of that or your

1445
01:01:38,990 --> 01:01:35,970
the thing that intrigues you most when

1446
01:01:42,470 --> 01:01:39,000
you get looking into that way of viewing

1447
01:01:46,039 --> 01:01:42,480
the phenomena I'm always very interested

1448
01:01:47,720 --> 01:01:46,049
in synchronicity what made the person

1449
01:01:49,160 --> 01:01:47,730
look at that point in the sky usually

1450
01:01:50,839 --> 01:01:49,170
when you start really talking to

1451
01:01:52,910 --> 01:01:50,849
witnesses there's something else going

1452
01:01:55,190 --> 01:01:52,920
on in their lives and for whatever

1453
01:01:57,650 --> 01:01:55,200
reason they feel compelled something is

1454
01:02:00,230 --> 01:01:57,660
pulling them to look you know most of us

1455
01:02:01,730 --> 01:02:00,240
go about our daily business and this is

1456
01:02:02,839 --> 01:02:01,740
could get back into the general public

1457
01:02:04,069 --> 01:02:02,849
why they're not seeing things because

1458
01:02:06,319 --> 01:02:04,079
they're not really looking up into the

1459
01:02:08,420 --> 01:02:06,329
night sky but when you talk to people

1460
01:02:09,589 --> 01:02:08,430
they tend to something happens either

1461
01:02:12,019 --> 01:02:09,599
it's a little voice in their head or

1462
01:02:13,730 --> 01:02:12,029
something happens that might put them in

1463
01:02:16,370 --> 01:02:13,740
the right place and the right time to

1464
01:02:19,130 --> 01:02:16,380
have this sort of really exceptional

1465
01:02:20,359 --> 01:02:19,140
experience and a lot of people do go on

1466
01:02:22,970 --> 01:02:20,369
then to sort of go through this

1467
01:02:24,529 --> 01:02:22,980
transformative phase where they have

1468
01:02:26,029 --> 01:02:24,539
this experience and then they come out

1469
01:02:28,880 --> 01:02:26,039
the other side with this completely

1470
01:02:32,210 --> 01:02:28,890
different sort of worldview or even

1471
01:02:35,029 --> 01:02:32,220
sometimes like a new direction in life

1472
01:02:37,039 --> 01:02:35,039
that they that they never had before and

1473
01:02:39,380 --> 01:02:37,049
so that's sort of interest me the

1474
01:02:42,769 --> 01:02:39,390
synchronicity sometimes you have

1475
01:02:45,289 --> 01:02:42,779
telepathy or other strange things like I

1476
01:02:48,470 --> 01:02:45,299
when I had had my 1990 experience and it

1477
01:02:48,829 --> 01:02:48,480
was thinking in my mind and I did say it

1478
01:02:50,749 --> 01:02:48,839
out

1479
01:02:53,509 --> 01:02:50,759
loud and it wasn't until later than that

1480
01:02:54,709 --> 01:02:53,519
you know I remembered it and I mentioned

1481
01:02:56,509 --> 01:02:54,719
it to my brother-in-law and he said yeah

1482
01:02:59,509 --> 01:02:56,519
I remember you saying that was so weird

1483
01:03:02,089 --> 01:02:59,519
you know I know aren't they they know we

1484
01:03:04,489 --> 01:03:02,099
can see them who are they and what are

1485
01:03:06,349 --> 01:03:04,499
we and how how would they possibly know

1486
01:03:10,009 --> 01:03:06,359
we were looking I mean it was a very odd

1487
01:03:12,829 --> 01:03:10,019
statement so things like that telepathic

1488
01:03:14,390 --> 01:03:12,839
things you know and then of course the

1489
01:03:17,569 --> 01:03:14,400
poltergeist stuff and some of this

1490
01:03:20,089 --> 01:03:17,579
happens before and some of it happens

1491
01:03:22,549 --> 01:03:20,099
after the the main UFO experience people

1492
01:03:25,370 --> 01:03:22,559
will have they will have this sighting

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01:03:26,989 --> 01:03:25,380
of a spaceship and then you know months

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01:03:29,390 --> 01:03:26,999
later they'll start having poltergeist

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01:03:30,920 --> 01:03:29,400
activity in their homes you know I mean

1496
01:03:33,319 --> 01:03:30,930
that's something that's very interesting

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01:03:34,370 --> 01:03:33,329
to me for a lot of reasons and we'll get

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01:03:37,819 --> 01:03:34,380
into that in our next segment

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MUFON that believes in ETH and doesn't

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01:08:21,539 --> 01:08:19,810
look at other possibilities and you

1609
01:08:24,090 --> 01:08:21,549
might have seen this in seeing how they

1610
01:08:27,809 --> 01:08:24,100
have their investigators manual and that

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01:08:29,940 --> 01:08:27,819
is they're focusing on the UFO as a

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01:08:32,730 --> 01:08:29,950
separate event you see an airplane and

1613
01:08:35,130 --> 01:08:32,740
you report it you see a UFO you're

1614
01:08:36,780 --> 01:08:35,140
reported it's an external thing you're

1615
01:08:38,640 --> 01:08:36,790
not influenced by it unless you know

1616
01:08:40,710 --> 01:08:38,650
maybe you got too close and you have

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01:08:43,349 --> 01:08:40,720
like cash Landrum or someone where

1618
01:08:46,440 --> 01:08:43,359
someone is possibly injured by some kind

1619
01:08:48,090 --> 01:08:46,450
of poisoning or radiation yes but you're

1620
01:08:49,650 --> 01:08:48,100
pointing out something here to someone

1621
01:08:51,780 --> 01:08:49,660
sees a UFO maybe they have other

1622
01:08:52,980 --> 01:08:51,790
experiences maybe there's poltergeist

1623
01:08:56,910 --> 01:08:52,990
something else I mean there's a

1624
01:09:01,230 --> 01:08:56,920
background in the family abstained on

1625
01:09:02,940 --> 01:09:01,240
through the years so even if you never

1626
01:09:04,620 --> 01:09:02,950
saw UFO before maybe there's something

1627
01:09:07,289 --> 01:09:04,630
else they could look at but an

1628
01:09:09,780 --> 01:09:07,299
organization like that so tightly

1629
01:09:12,930 --> 01:09:09,790
focused on one aspect of the phenomenon

1630
01:09:15,450 --> 01:09:12,940
never looks to these issues never looks

1631
01:09:17,880 --> 01:09:15,460
at the impact of people and have their

1632
01:09:20,730 --> 01:09:17,890
lives and be turned upside down it's not

1633
01:09:22,590 --> 01:09:20,740
just the guy in Close Encounters oh by

1634
01:09:25,769 --> 01:09:22,600
the way I know you subscribe to the

1635
01:09:27,360 --> 01:09:25,779
theory that the French scientists and

1636
01:09:29,760 --> 01:09:27,370
Close Encounters was based on Jacques

1637
01:09:31,260 --> 01:09:29,770
Vallee I understand that's not the case

1638
01:09:36,420 --> 01:09:31,270
but I forget the name of the actual

1639
01:09:39,329 --> 01:09:36,430
person we all did but I think Jacques

1640
01:09:42,380 --> 01:09:39,339
told me this he may have said there

1641
01:09:45,690 --> 01:09:42,390
someone else that he was not the guy

1642
01:09:49,730 --> 01:09:45,700
it's possible maybe it was Amy Michelle

1643
01:09:52,970 --> 01:09:49,740
I know somebody never heard of okay

1644
01:09:57,500 --> 01:09:52,980
interesting I always thought it was him

1645
01:10:03,110 --> 01:09:57,510
that's I guess maybe it's someone else

1646
01:10:09,000 --> 01:10:06,720
possibly possibly I'd like to get back

1647
01:10:14,669 --> 01:10:09,010
to this you sound more like a

1648
01:10:16,979 --> 01:10:14,679
French Canadians from all the French I

1649
01:10:19,080 --> 01:10:16,989
had to take in high school I'd kind of

1650
01:10:20,970 --> 01:10:19,090
like to get back to this Paris sociology

1651
01:10:24,299 --> 01:10:20,980
we were we were just getting into that

1652
01:10:26,609 --> 01:10:24,309
when the way you were describing how the

1653
01:10:29,220 --> 01:10:26,619
witness the human side the experience

1654
01:10:33,299 --> 01:10:29,230
and and how it changes our worldview and

1655
01:10:36,660 --> 01:10:33,309
how people interact and together and

1656
01:10:38,370 --> 01:10:36,670
within a society I mean you know when I

1657
01:10:42,029 --> 01:10:38,380
said welcome to the family back at the

1658
01:10:45,180 --> 01:10:42,039
beginning that's kind of it a way of

1659
01:10:46,620 --> 01:10:45,190
summing it up there's in my mind and I

1660
01:10:49,819 --> 01:10:46,630
don't know it just just if I could get

1661
01:10:54,000 --> 01:10:49,829
your comment on this I feel as though

1662
01:10:57,959 --> 01:10:54,010
being a witness makes me part of a

1663
01:11:01,589 --> 01:10:57,969
larger community who know that there's a

1664
01:11:05,250 --> 01:11:01,599
larger world view and that out there in

1665
01:11:07,109 --> 01:11:05,260
society someplace I can't pinpoint for

1666
01:11:07,680 --> 01:11:07,119
sure exactly who's telling the truth and

1667
01:11:10,799 --> 01:11:07,690
who's not

1668
01:11:13,080 --> 01:11:10,809
but I know I I'm not alone I know these

1669
01:11:16,250 --> 01:11:13,090
people have to be out there and so

1670
01:11:18,810 --> 01:11:16,260
there's this there's this sense of other

1671
01:11:21,990 --> 01:11:18,820
people as part of the world that also

1672
01:11:23,609 --> 01:11:22,000
knows it's hard to explain do you sort

1673
01:11:27,270 --> 01:11:23,619
of get what I'm saying there at all oh

1674
01:11:30,450 --> 01:11:27,280
oh I do and and and thinking and in the

1675
01:11:32,069 --> 01:11:30,460
larger terms like a UFOs tend to be sort

1676
01:11:34,319 --> 01:11:32,079
of an individual experience and they

1677
01:11:36,689 --> 01:11:34,329
they're transformative towards the

1678
01:11:39,779 --> 01:11:36,699
individual but they also they can also

1679
01:11:41,669 --> 01:11:39,789
happen in in large waves and this also

1680
01:11:43,140 --> 01:11:41,679
gets me thinking about Vallet against

1681
01:11:45,629 --> 01:11:43,150
you'd mentioned Valais in his control

1682
01:11:47,939 --> 01:11:45,639
system and and and all these sort of

1683
01:11:51,990 --> 01:11:47,949
thoughts but in regards to sort of

1684
01:11:55,919 --> 01:11:52,000
change and societal change we can look

1685
01:11:57,930 --> 01:11:55,929
at UFO waves and UFO waves are they you

1686
01:12:00,240 --> 01:11:57,940
know they tend to be sustained over a

1687
01:12:01,529 --> 01:12:00,250
long period of time maybe a year and

1688
01:12:05,069 --> 01:12:01,539
you're going to have multiple witnesses

1689
01:12:07,229 --> 01:12:05,079
of multiple various phenomena all in a

1690
01:12:09,390 --> 01:12:07,239
very concentrated sort of society and

1691
01:12:11,790 --> 01:12:09,400
one of the things in regards to para

1692
01:12:15,930 --> 01:12:11,800
sociology that we can look at is the

1693
01:12:18,750 --> 01:12:15,940
Belgian wave of 1990 in 89 I believe it

1694
01:12:20,609 --> 01:12:18,760
began and it's concurrent wave which was

1695
01:12:21,939 --> 01:12:20,619
happening in the Soviet Union also in

1696
01:12:24,129 --> 01:12:21,949
1989 and 90

1697
01:12:26,290 --> 01:12:24,139
nine at the same time and if we consider

1698
01:12:28,180 --> 01:12:26,300
those and consider the the vast number

1699
01:12:30,489 --> 01:12:28,190
of people that were reporting very good

1700
01:12:32,410 --> 01:12:30,499
sightings multiple sightings and and

1701
01:12:35,560 --> 01:12:32,420
certainly on the on the Belgian side you

1702
01:12:37,479 --> 01:12:35,570
had the military and the police and the

1703
01:12:40,239 --> 01:12:37,489
civilian you have foliage is all working

1704
01:12:42,219 --> 01:12:40,249
together on this UFO problem but you can

1705
01:12:44,859 --> 01:12:42,229
look at it if you start looking at what

1706
01:12:48,219 --> 01:12:44,869
was going on sort of as a group as a

1707
01:12:50,949 --> 01:12:48,229
society you had massive massive changes

1708
01:12:52,870 --> 01:12:50,959
going on in Europe you had the the fall

1709
01:12:55,390 --> 01:12:52,880
of the Berlin Wall you had to the

1710
01:12:57,310 --> 01:12:55,400
collapse of the Soviet Union you had

1711
01:12:59,589 --> 01:12:57,320
millions of people probably living in

1712
01:13:01,299 --> 01:12:59,599
states of anxiety not knowing what was

1713
01:13:04,060 --> 01:13:01,309
going to happen to their futures and

1714
01:13:06,910 --> 01:13:04,070
then then you have a bunch of UFOs

1715
01:13:09,489 --> 01:13:06,920
appearing over the NATO headquarters of

1716
01:13:11,620 --> 01:13:09,499
all things so if you start thinking

1717
01:13:13,330 --> 01:13:11,630
along those lines you can start seeing

1718
01:13:16,209 --> 01:13:13,340
it there's something greater going on

1719
01:13:19,109 --> 01:13:16,219
here and as far as like if you think

1720
01:13:21,219 --> 01:13:19,119
from a parapsychological viewpoint that

1721
01:13:23,739 --> 01:13:21,229
poltergeists happen to people who

1722
01:13:25,359 --> 01:13:23,749
perhaps have sort of inner anxieties

1723
01:13:27,219 --> 01:13:25,369
that they cannot express outwardly

1724
01:13:29,680 --> 01:13:27,229
correctly so they have all this sort of

1725
01:13:31,719 --> 01:13:29,690
pk or this sort of physical phenomena

1726
01:13:34,509 --> 01:13:31,729
it's almost like a cry for help you know

1727
01:13:36,790 --> 01:13:34,519
banging on the walls this sort of very

1728
01:13:38,410 --> 01:13:36,800
physical physical phenomena now all of a

1729
01:13:41,080 --> 01:13:38,420
sudden you have millions of people

1730
01:13:43,629 --> 01:13:41,090
living in sort of flux where this in

1731
01:13:45,279 --> 01:13:43,639
Europe isn't is in sort of disarray

1732
01:13:47,560 --> 01:13:45,289
you have the Soviet Union collapsing

1733
01:13:50,140 --> 01:13:47,570
you're living in this really really

1734
01:13:52,629 --> 01:13:50,150
pivotal human time and all of a sudden

1735
01:13:55,359 --> 01:13:52,639
you have this burst of UFO activity to

1736
01:13:57,339 --> 01:13:55,369
me you'd be lost not down thinking that

1737
01:13:59,379 --> 01:13:57,349
you know hey this is this happened over

1738
01:14:02,199 --> 01:13:59,389
NATO headquarters was this some sort of

1739
01:14:05,020 --> 01:14:02,209
a hey look at me like what's going on

1740
01:14:07,270 --> 01:14:05,030
here in relation to society at the time

1741
01:14:09,270 --> 01:14:07,280
as it's expressing itself over a

1742
01:14:12,850 --> 01:14:09,280
military base over NATO headquarters

1743
01:14:14,709 --> 01:14:12,860
into a greater society so it's almost as

1744
01:14:17,140 --> 01:14:14,719
if it's sort of enacting some sort of a

1745
01:14:18,879 --> 01:14:17,150
transformation or it's it's it's going

1746
01:14:21,850 --> 01:14:18,889
along with this transformation in this

1747
01:14:23,529 --> 01:14:21,860
very spectacular way interesting yeah

1748
01:14:26,709 --> 01:14:23,539
when we look at it from that perspective

1749
01:14:29,560 --> 01:14:26,719
we could maybe say that earlier waves

1750
01:14:31,870 --> 01:14:29,570
were associated with a lot of the Cold

1751
01:14:34,790 --> 01:14:31,880
War stuff that was going on we had the

1752
01:14:37,640 --> 01:14:34,800
52 DC slab there

1753
01:14:39,560 --> 01:14:37,650
you also had the McCarthy stuff going on

1754
01:14:41,930 --> 01:14:39,570
as well and then you have this these

1755
01:14:44,840 --> 01:14:41,940
UFOs disappearing over Washington DC

1756
01:14:46,610 --> 01:14:44,850
again very well documented like these

1757
01:14:49,400 --> 01:14:46,620
are these are genuine cases this is a

1758
01:14:51,890 --> 01:14:49,410
genuine UFO wave yes some of those were

1759
01:14:54,830 --> 01:14:51,900
really really good too at first I had

1760
01:14:56,450 --> 01:14:54,840
dismissed Washington flap but the more I

1761
01:14:58,010 --> 01:14:56,460
started looking into it the more I found

1762
01:15:01,250 --> 01:14:58,020
that there really was a lot more there

1763
01:15:03,650 --> 01:15:01,260
than than just lens reflections and in

1764
01:15:05,630 --> 01:15:03,660
photographs yes and the same thing with

1765
01:15:09,170 --> 01:15:05,640
Belgium I mean a lot of people they

1766
01:15:11,060 --> 01:15:09,180
focus in from a skeptical this I call

1767
01:15:13,070 --> 01:15:11,070
them pseudo skeptics with the you know

1768
01:15:15,980 --> 01:15:13,080
sort of the arch deniers here will focus

1769
01:15:18,110 --> 01:15:15,990
in on the one sort of hoaxed photo of a

1770
01:15:19,850 --> 01:15:18,120
triangle and say aha see this is a host

1771
01:15:21,350 --> 01:15:19,860
photo and this were all triangles or

1772
01:15:23,930 --> 01:15:21,360
they will say this was all some sort of

1773
01:15:26,330 --> 01:15:23,940
secretive sort of Americans testing out

1774
01:15:28,910 --> 01:15:26,340
stealth fighter which I don't believe at

1775
01:15:31,250 --> 01:15:28,920
all if you look at the coab eps and the

1776
01:15:32,990 --> 01:15:31,260
so bits that the duf ola just and they

1777
01:15:35,390 --> 01:15:33,000
were doing a great job they were doing

1778
01:15:36,860 --> 01:15:35,400
an amazing job at the time and what the

1779
01:15:39,050 --> 01:15:36,870
police were recording with the military

1780
01:15:41,720 --> 01:15:39,060
we're recording you didn't have just

1781
01:15:44,330 --> 01:15:41,730
triangles you had discs you had daylight

1782
01:15:46,910 --> 01:15:44,340
discs you had bell-shaped ufos you had

1783
01:15:48,620 --> 01:15:46,920
these diamond-shaped things you had all

1784
01:15:50,900 --> 01:15:48,630
sorts of different humanoids that were

1785
01:15:53,540 --> 01:15:50,910
being reported on the ground so you had

1786
01:15:57,050 --> 01:15:53,550
like just all this various sort of this

1787
01:15:58,490 --> 01:15:57,060
amazing stuff happening but yet all that

1788
01:16:01,550 --> 01:15:58,500
people tend to want to focus on is that

1789
01:16:03,770 --> 01:16:01,560
one hoaxed image of the triangle this

1790
01:16:05,780 --> 01:16:03,780
seems to be with waves too with the UFO

1791
01:16:07,820 --> 01:16:05,790
waves is you'll have a mixed bag of you

1792
01:16:09,890 --> 01:16:07,830
have really genuine amazing stuff and

1793
01:16:12,050 --> 01:16:09,900
then in comes the hoax or the more

1794
01:16:14,690 --> 01:16:12,060
questionable stuff and so you got a

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release you you wait for the chaff do

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you think we got to see disinformation

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going on there by the powers that be to

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try to counter it in any way how how far

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down that rabbit hole should we go

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this is Jacques Vallee the you listening

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to the power class the gold standard of

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paranormal radio in just the answer that

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long question Randall for su how much

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01:21:19,630 --> 01:21:16,670
evidence do we lose because we are so

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centric so focused directly on the

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01:21:24,220 --> 01:21:21,770
objects and the possible spaceships that

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all the other stuff is just set aside as

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irrelevant no I think you make an

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excellent point there Jean like I know

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that you know when we get into it I tend

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to go okay well we're looking at UFOs is

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01:21:39,610 --> 01:21:37,790
some sort of craft but that doesn't mean

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that the craft aren't here for a reason

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and I think that the reason has to do

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with all the things we're talking about

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here I mean if they have effects on

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people and those effects seem to be

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directed in a particular way when you

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get radar visual sightings and you get

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these crafts interacting with military

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01:22:02,980 --> 01:22:00,560
craft back in the early days a specific

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01:22:04,600 --> 01:22:02,990
specifically when we we know that they

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weren't just faked reports and couldn't

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be verified but they were happening

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there's an obvious intention there so we

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can say okay so there's a craft but what

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are they doing and if and the only way

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we can really examine that is by really

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looking at the witnesses that's the only

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tangible thing we actually have are the

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witnesses themselves and and I think

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more needs to be focused on that and and

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we can't be and we have to let people

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just tell their story I I've interviewed

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so many people over the years and they

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always start with I know this sounds

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crazy but or they will you know they'll

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tell their story and then they'll add

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something in and they'll say you know I

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really didn't know how I felt about

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telling you this but you know I'm gonna

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01:22:51,130 --> 01:22:49,070
tell you anyway and and I just feel that

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they know it sounds absurd and maybe

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that's part of that control mechanism

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that Vallet talks about is this

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01:23:00,040 --> 01:22:58,370
absurdity that sort of then people feel

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01:23:01,780 --> 01:23:00,050
that they're going to be ridiculed they

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feel that the whole experience will then

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01:23:05,929 --> 01:23:04,070
become discounted so you have these

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01:23:08,000 --> 01:23:05,939
really strange aspects

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01:23:09,770 --> 01:23:08,010
and that's why I kind of tell people

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01:23:12,229 --> 01:23:09,780
tell me everything tell me everything

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I'm not gonna judge you I want I'm on

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all your stuff whatever happened no

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01:23:18,859 --> 01:23:16,469
matter how crazy it sounds or you think

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01:23:20,870 --> 01:23:18,869
it sounds I want to know it all and it's

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01:23:24,169 --> 01:23:20,880
it's that devil in the details I think

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01:23:26,089 --> 01:23:24,179
that may help us formulate new sort of

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01:23:28,279 --> 01:23:26,099
questions as to what is really going on

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here because that is the only tangible

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01:23:32,540 --> 01:23:30,570
thing we have is the people that go and

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01:23:35,390 --> 01:23:32,550
experience these things they have these

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01:23:37,759 --> 01:23:35,400
experiences absolutely I think the

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01:23:39,890 --> 01:23:37,769
witnesses are the evidence themselves

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okay let's let's turn this around though

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and just say okay maybe we're looking at

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01:23:45,949 --> 01:23:43,320
this from a completely sort of homey

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01:23:49,429 --> 01:23:45,959
eccentric point of view where these

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01:23:51,649 --> 01:23:49,439
crafts are really not that interested in

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01:23:54,080 --> 01:23:51,659
us we're no more say interesting to them

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01:23:55,759 --> 01:23:54,090
than the trees and the plants and the

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01:23:58,549 --> 01:23:55,769
whales and the other things here and we

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01:24:01,279 --> 01:23:58,559
just happen to want to make ourselves so

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01:24:03,290 --> 01:24:01,289
special that we think they must be

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01:24:06,290 --> 01:24:03,300
studying us for some reason but really

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01:24:08,770 --> 01:24:06,300
what if what if they just don't really

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01:24:12,020 --> 01:24:08,780
care that much are we making more out of

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01:24:14,089 --> 01:24:12,030
them than they are out of us but they

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01:24:17,299 --> 01:24:14,099
seem to be interacting with people and

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01:24:19,219 --> 01:24:17,309
very very transformative ways certainly

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01:24:21,290 --> 01:24:19,229
the people are going through some sort

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01:24:23,209 --> 01:24:21,300
of transformation process after they

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01:24:24,919 --> 01:24:23,219
have had these these very strange

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01:24:28,100 --> 01:24:24,929
experiences and then then we can get

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01:24:29,029 --> 01:24:28,110
into the abductees to some of them find

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01:24:30,560 --> 01:24:29,039
that they have been spiritually

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transformed and they feel it's a very

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01:24:33,979 --> 01:24:32,099
good experience for them

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others feel quite frightened and

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01:24:39,229 --> 01:24:37,019
terrorized and suffer actual PTSD

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symptoms because of their experiences so

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it's very difficult to say what may or

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01:24:47,750 --> 01:24:44,849
may not be a motivation of whatever this

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thing is it has different effects on

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people again that's why I think it's

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01:24:55,459 --> 01:24:52,559
it's important to focus on them because

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01:24:58,759 --> 01:24:55,469
it certainly is whether or not it is

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01:25:01,189 --> 01:24:58,769
meant to do so this is the side effect

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01:25:04,009 --> 01:25:01,199
or what happens to witnesses is they

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01:25:06,589 --> 01:25:04,019
tend to have their repercussions to the

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01:25:08,600 --> 01:25:06,599
experience itself transformative anyway

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and that's why we have to explore that

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01:25:12,500 --> 01:25:10,979
we don't know what the motivation could

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01:25:14,569 --> 01:25:12,510
be we do we don't even know really what

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01:25:16,219 --> 01:25:14,579
if they're truly space crafted this way

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01:25:18,560 --> 01:25:16,229
I I'm not willing to say that they are

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because I don't know they certainly want

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01:25:22,729 --> 01:25:19,739
us to think so

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01:25:24,229 --> 01:25:22,739
if it's in even them I don't know it's

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01:25:26,390 --> 01:25:24,239
just something that looks like a

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01:25:28,220 --> 01:25:26,400
spacecraft but then you know in the

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01:25:31,339 --> 01:25:28,230
medieval times maybe it was a dragon or

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01:25:33,919 --> 01:25:31,349
a chariot or something well then are

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01:25:35,779 --> 01:25:33,929
they causing us to see them as

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01:25:37,939 --> 01:25:35,789
spaceships or do we see them as

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01:25:40,220 --> 01:25:37,949
spaceships because that's our cultural

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01:25:42,290 --> 01:25:40,230
frame of reference I don't know because

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01:25:45,890 --> 01:25:42,300
I think people started seeing spaceships

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01:25:48,560 --> 01:25:45,900
prior to really the Space Age sort of

2022
01:25:51,229 --> 01:25:48,570
the space race I think there's also

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01:25:53,989 --> 01:25:51,239
there's some evidence to suggest that

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01:25:56,000 --> 01:25:53,999
it's almost precognitives so people have

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01:25:59,049 --> 01:25:56,010
these experiences just pre to the

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01:26:01,879 --> 01:25:59,059
technology so maybe their point is to

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01:26:05,209 --> 01:26:01,889
inspire the technology that's coming

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01:26:07,899 --> 01:26:05,219
down the pike I don't know I just think

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01:26:11,180 --> 01:26:07,909
that that there could potentially be a

2030
01:26:12,979 --> 01:26:11,190
co-creative process in that there is

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01:26:14,299 --> 01:26:12,989
something physical going on as as was

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01:26:15,979 --> 01:26:14,309
mentioned you know occasionally there

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01:26:19,040 --> 01:26:15,989
are radar hits occasionally there are

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01:26:20,839 --> 01:26:19,050
some sort of physical traces but they

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01:26:23,330 --> 01:26:20,849
tend to really lead nowhere they tend to

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01:26:24,890 --> 01:26:23,340
almost be absurd or nonsensical but

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01:26:27,140 --> 01:26:24,900
where I don't want to lose my train of

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01:26:29,390 --> 01:26:27,150
thought here either but I think that

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01:26:31,430 --> 01:26:29,400
what happens is is that it's it's the

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01:26:33,500 --> 01:26:31,440
transformative effect is definitely

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01:26:35,989 --> 01:26:33,510
there and that is something that has to

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01:26:37,640 --> 01:26:35,999
sort of be sort of honed in on I think

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01:26:40,040 --> 01:26:37,650
and that you can only do that with the

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01:26:42,410 --> 01:26:40,050
witness I don't really know but I think

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01:26:44,750 --> 01:26:42,420
that that is is probably going to gather

2046
01:26:47,029 --> 01:26:44,760
us more information than has been in the

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01:26:49,160 --> 01:26:47,039
past with just the simple nuts and bolts

2048
01:26:51,319 --> 01:26:49,170
without trying to understand the more

2049
01:26:53,899 --> 01:26:51,329
greater complexities of the UFO

2050
01:26:55,669 --> 01:26:53,909
experience as a whole and for people

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01:26:58,970 --> 01:26:55,679
individuals and for larger communities

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01:27:00,620 --> 01:26:58,980
if that makes sense we have a weekly

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01:27:17,089 --> 01:27:12,780
power cast I come and in one of the

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01:27:18,919 --> 01:27:17,099
issues going back a few years one of our

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01:27:22,970 --> 01:27:18,929
favorite contributors skyla calls

2061
01:27:26,000 --> 01:27:22,980
himself red pill junky let me go yes

2062
01:27:27,709 --> 01:27:26,010
he wrote a piece and I asked him to do

2063
01:27:29,330 --> 01:27:27,719
this after he appeared on the power cast

2064
01:27:31,459 --> 01:27:29,340
I said give me maybe a thousand words or

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01:27:34,250 --> 01:27:31,469
1500 words as a guest

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01:27:35,870 --> 01:27:34,260
editorial I'm a theory of the

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01:27:39,439 --> 01:27:35,880
relationship between a near-death

2068
01:27:42,080 --> 01:27:39,449
experience and a UFO abduction and it

2069
01:27:45,140 --> 01:27:42,090
became like 5,000 words and very

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01:27:48,680 --> 01:27:45,150
elaborate to explain the connections the

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01:27:50,120 --> 01:27:48,690
similarities now we have to split for a

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01:27:52,040 --> 01:27:50,130
break in about two minutes so I'm

2073
01:27:55,040 --> 01:27:52,050
rushing you along Susan but we can pick

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01:27:57,950 --> 01:27:55,050
it up in our next segment have you had a

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01:28:00,259 --> 01:27:57,960
chance ever to look at any of that okay

2076
01:28:03,830 --> 01:28:00,269
I was asking you the question all right

2077
01:28:06,229 --> 01:28:03,840
so you've asked me the question I have

2078
01:28:08,270 --> 01:28:06,239
actually I have recently talked to a

2079
01:28:11,089 --> 01:28:08,280
person who is a UFO experience or

2080
01:28:13,489 --> 01:28:11,099
abductee who has described the

2081
01:28:15,350 --> 01:28:13,499
experience almost as if their soul is

2082
01:28:17,870 --> 01:28:15,360
being torn from their body that is that

2083
01:28:19,489 --> 01:28:17,880
is their words not mine but it certainly

2084
01:28:22,609 --> 01:28:19,499
sounds very much like a near-death

2085
01:28:26,060 --> 01:28:22,619
experience because they're equated as

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01:28:29,000 --> 01:28:26,070
what is leaving the body to be onboard a

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01:28:30,859 --> 01:28:29,010
ship so and that is how they experienced

2088
01:28:34,390 --> 01:28:30,869
it how they felt it like a forceful sort

2089
01:28:37,129 --> 01:28:34,400
of my soul is being ripped from my body

2090
01:28:38,870 --> 01:28:37,139
so yeah there is definitely there is a

2091
01:28:42,410 --> 01:28:38,880
connection between near-death experience

2092
01:28:44,180 --> 01:28:42,420
I think and and the abduction experience

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01:28:48,140 --> 01:28:44,190
I think it's almost like a very much an

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01:28:50,060 --> 01:28:48,150
inward sort of journey it's more of a

2095
01:28:52,640 --> 01:28:50,070
shamanic thing than a physical thing but

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01:28:54,709 --> 01:28:52,650
it has physical manifestations and

2097
01:28:57,919 --> 01:28:54,719
physical repercussions to the people who

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01:29:00,049 --> 01:28:57,929
are having this experience if again if

2099
01:29:01,669 --> 01:29:00,059
that makes sense to you

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01:29:04,879 --> 01:29:01,679
this is where I'm sort of at with that

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01:29:06,649 --> 01:29:04,889
sort of experience right now and that of

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01:29:08,390 --> 01:29:06,659
course again and both are again

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01:29:10,189 --> 01:29:08,400
transformative people that go through an

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01:29:11,750 --> 01:29:10,199
abduction experience just like people

2105
01:29:13,879 --> 01:29:11,760
that go through near-death experience

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01:29:15,589 --> 01:29:13,889
they're transformed at the other end of

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01:29:17,060 --> 01:29:15,599
the experience there's a transformation

2108
01:29:19,250 --> 01:29:17,070
that has taken place

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01:29:23,060 --> 01:29:19,260
they're forever changed and sometimes

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01:29:26,180 --> 01:29:23,070
very erratically so a lot of things I

2111
01:29:30,350 --> 01:29:26,190
see when we look at this is the mystical

2112
01:29:32,479 --> 01:29:30,360
way that the experience proceeds like

2113
01:29:35,899 --> 01:29:32,489
they're taken out of their bed and maybe

2114
01:29:38,330 --> 01:29:35,909
they float through the walls of their

2115
01:29:40,160 --> 01:29:38,340
home and end up on the spaceship and

2116
01:29:42,219 --> 01:29:40,170
then some people with near-death

2117
01:29:44,250 --> 01:29:42,229
experiences they remember themselves

2118
01:29:46,680 --> 01:29:44,260
floating above

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01:29:50,310 --> 01:29:46,690
the hospital better wherever their body

2120
01:29:52,500 --> 01:29:50,320
is and seeing what's going on yes and

2121
01:29:55,110 --> 01:29:52,510
that is a connection right there but

2122
01:29:57,840 --> 01:29:55,120
then the problem in UFO research is

2123
01:29:59,940 --> 01:29:57,850
we're just looking at aliens and the

2124
01:30:02,520 --> 01:29:59,950
aliens are landing and they're just

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01:30:05,010 --> 01:30:02,530
abducting people and performing painful

2126
01:30:08,490 --> 01:30:05,020
experiments on them with instrumentation

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01:30:10,890 --> 01:30:08,500
that doesn't seem to coordinate or

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01:30:12,570 --> 01:30:10,900
conform with a highly advanced

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01:30:15,540 --> 01:30:12,580
civilization that ought to be able to do

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01:30:17,970 --> 01:30:15,550
this painlessly without having to even

2131
01:30:19,860 --> 01:30:17,980
physically touch the person or bring

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01:30:23,370 --> 01:30:19,870
aboard Spaceship we've got more to come

2133
01:30:26,670 --> 01:30:23,380
with Susan Demeter st. Claire J Randall

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01:30:30,290 --> 01:30:26,680
Murphy Jean Steinberg you're in the para

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[Music]

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thank you for listening to GCN

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of abductions that we're not paying

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attention to unfortunately I think that

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are fewer if you're looking at both if

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you're examining both they're undeniable

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through walls they're they're just

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appearing in homes there they're doing

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all sorts of very sort of ghostly like

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things as well if you examine all these

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various sort of paranormal things that

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are occurring at their base they seem to

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have a very similar sort of mechanism

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the thought as well that was done by dr.

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Scott Rogo in the 70s who was one of the

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few Paris psychologists who actually

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looked into UFOs he did a discussion on

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the on a haunted sky thinking literally

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that these these things that were

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appearing were like ghosts there were

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more apparitions I've explored that as

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well and through sort of dream symbology

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are the UFOs more trying to communicate

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to us through a sort of dream language

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so that the UFO itself might look like a

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spaceship but if we start maybe looking

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at the shape and the color and the

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context of how they appeared and what

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was going on in the lives of the people

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that we're witnessing these things

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maybe there's a symbolism in there that

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is being lost because we're only

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focusing on the very basic idea of a

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spaceship you had mentioned to me before

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about whether or not I felt that we have

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this sort of creative aspect as well if

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it's part of our expectation of what we

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think that we're going to see so

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culturally were conditioned to see a

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spaceship that's possible or what could

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be happening is we could be co-creating

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with something else maybe maybe it is an

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alien maybe it's an alien other that is

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showing to us something that we in our

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01:37:13,660 --> 01:37:10,850
very naive state of development as a

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01:37:16,000 --> 01:37:13,670
species can understand I used to think

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that you know centuries past people were

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01:37:19,360 --> 01:37:17,510
seeing spaceships but they were just

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misinterpreting them and they were

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calling them chariots in the sky and

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then they were as dragons or whatever

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flying around and now I've actually

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really flip-flopped on myself and I've

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changed my mind thinking more or less

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know they probably actually really worth

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seeing dragons in the sky that they are

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telling you exactly what they saw

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perhaps it is part of a more crow

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creative process with the individual

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with with perhaps an alien other perhaps

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with a universal consciousness that's

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sort of replaying sort of our fairy

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tales and myths out to us I don't really

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know but I think that asking these

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deeper questions and looking more at the

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whole sort of from parapsychology and

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01:37:58,479 --> 01:37:56,449
ghosts and the spaceships and all these

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different things and even cryptozoology

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when it is the more strange or high

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strangeness with that if you start

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looking and stripping away all the

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language that we have added and these

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stories that we have built on the base

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experience you can see that there are

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commonalities with them all so maybe

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that's what MUFON needs to do if it

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wants to be more relevant to our time so

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you know sexism and all that aside maybe

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it needs to start looking at more like

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parapsychology and I know this is gonna

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be a great big fight for some people but

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maybe maybe that is what it needs if it

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wants to potentially ask better

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questions is to sort of look more at the

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total experience because people that you

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have UFO experiences many of them do

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also experience ghosts or if you start

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talking to them you find out they grew

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up in a haunted house or they have maybe

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01:38:47,530 --> 01:38:45,260
some psychic abilities or things of that

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01:38:49,600 --> 01:38:47,540
nature that I think are currently sort

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01:38:52,270 --> 01:38:49,610
of being by the mainstream UFO community

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01:38:54,640 --> 01:38:52,280
sort of swept under the rug so to speak

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01:38:56,530 --> 01:38:54,650
I think that that works both ways to

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01:38:59,379 --> 01:38:56,540
some degree I've tried to network with

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01:39:02,620 --> 01:38:59,389
some of the paranormal research ghost

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01:39:04,680 --> 01:39:02,630
hunter types here in Alberta and online

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01:39:07,300 --> 01:39:04,690
and I find that there's a real sort of

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01:39:10,209 --> 01:39:07,310
resistance to the idea that the

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01:39:13,840 --> 01:39:10,219
phenomena could be a unified thing it's

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01:39:15,400 --> 01:39:13,850
like oh no it's you know it's the DPH

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01:39:17,440 --> 01:39:15,410
hypothesis yes

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01:39:19,990 --> 01:39:17,450
and that's all there is to it and

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01:39:21,640 --> 01:39:20,000
they're just as stuck in that and as the

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01:39:23,320 --> 01:39:21,650
ETH and I think that's something that's

2355
01:39:26,200 --> 01:39:23,330
another good point you make on your

2356
01:39:29,830 --> 01:39:26,210
website it goes both ways because I mean

2357
01:39:31,840 --> 01:39:29,840
if the idea that a UFO or some anomaly

2358
01:39:34,330 --> 01:39:31,850
in the sky is an alien spaceship has

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01:39:36,010 --> 01:39:34,340
become entrenched and it has over 70

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01:39:38,170 --> 01:39:36,020
years it is really entrenched in

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01:39:40,750 --> 01:39:38,180
people's minds then you could say that

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01:39:42,550 --> 01:39:40,760
the ghosts as a dead person that goes

2363
01:39:44,410 --> 01:39:42,560
back on millennia or more that's like

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01:39:46,240 --> 01:39:44,420
been going way back that is truly

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01:39:48,820 --> 01:39:46,250
entrenched in people's minds they

2366
01:39:50,560 --> 01:39:48,830
absolutely believe that a ghost is the

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01:39:51,940 --> 01:39:50,570
spirit of a dead person so they don't

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01:39:53,710 --> 01:39:51,950
they don't want to hear that maybe the

2369
01:39:56,110 --> 01:39:53,720
same thing that's creating alien

2370
01:39:58,180 --> 01:39:56,120
experiences could be this because they

2371
01:39:59,830 --> 01:39:58,190
doesn't work for them and in their

2372
01:40:01,390 --> 01:39:59,840
belief system and that's fine you know

2373
01:40:03,190 --> 01:40:01,400
what people can believe whatever they

2374
01:40:06,040 --> 01:40:03,200
want to believe but as long as we're all

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01:40:07,720 --> 01:40:06,050
like respectful for each other and we

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01:40:09,640 --> 01:40:07,730
all have some sort of voice in something

2377
01:40:12,160 --> 01:40:09,650
we can contribute and if we do that then

2378
01:40:14,590 --> 01:40:12,170
maybe maybe we can come up with some

2379
01:40:15,940 --> 01:40:14,600
some better stuff moving forward

2380
01:40:18,220 --> 01:40:15,950
but I hear you it used to be in the

2381
01:40:20,620 --> 01:40:18,230
parapsychological Association as well on

2382
01:40:22,750 --> 01:40:20,630
their website it absolutely said oh we

2383
01:40:24,820 --> 01:40:22,760
do not look into UFOs I think the

2384
01:40:27,090 --> 01:40:24,830
webmaster has taken that down now since

2385
01:40:29,980 --> 01:40:27,100
Eric and I had Eric's book got published

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01:40:32,110 --> 01:40:29,990
illuminations which I dr. Eric will let

2387
01:40:33,880 --> 01:40:32,120
his book that really looks at the pair

2388
01:40:37,090 --> 01:40:33,890
of psychological and the para

2389
01:40:38,890 --> 01:40:37,100
sociological lenses of larger UFO waves

2390
01:40:41,140 --> 01:40:38,900
and to a little bit individual UFO

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01:40:43,000 --> 01:40:41,150
experience I think since then they've

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01:40:46,030 --> 01:40:43,010
taken it down because he is the Canadian

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01:40:48,250 --> 01:40:46,040
leis on for the parent Psychological

2394
01:40:50,260 --> 01:40:48,260
Association but prior to that yeah they

2395
01:40:52,000 --> 01:40:50,270
just we don't look into UFOs I guess

2396
01:40:53,740 --> 01:40:52,010
they thought you know UFO people are

2397
01:40:56,140 --> 01:40:53,750
crackpots or whatever it's so that's a

2398
01:40:58,300 --> 01:40:56,150
snobbery and an elitism there that also

2399
01:41:01,120 --> 01:40:58,310
that's the other side so it works both

2400
01:41:03,730 --> 01:41:01,130
ways so putting everything into boxes

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01:41:05,440 --> 01:41:03,740
yes and we can't do that because we're

2402
01:41:07,630 --> 01:41:05,450
really the only thing we have at this

2403
01:41:09,820 --> 01:41:07,640
point is this is an experience that

2404
01:41:12,580 --> 01:41:09,830
human beings have that's what we know

2405
01:41:14,410 --> 01:41:12,590
really for sure I think we can apply

2406
01:41:17,440 --> 01:41:14,420
some critical thinking to it and arrive

2407
01:41:19,360 --> 01:41:17,450
at some most likely hypotheses that are

2408
01:41:21,490 --> 01:41:19,370
better than others but I was just

2409
01:41:23,080 --> 01:41:21,500
reviewing some of my notes as we were

2410
01:41:25,240 --> 01:41:23,090
going here and and maybe I've missed

2411
01:41:28,960 --> 01:41:25,250
this if you could clarify you said you

2412
01:41:34,210 --> 01:41:28,970
had a sighting in 1990 and then in 2001

2413
01:41:37,480 --> 01:41:34,220
did we get to the 2016 exciting 2016 I

2414
01:41:40,000 --> 01:41:37,490
had an experience as well where in this

2415
01:41:41,890 --> 01:41:40,010
point I was actually going to do a bit

2416
01:41:44,260 --> 01:41:41,900
of a sky watch and I was gonna follow

2417
01:41:44,860 --> 01:41:44,270
some sort of specific protocols to doing

2418
01:41:47,530 --> 01:41:44,870
that

2419
01:41:49,030 --> 01:41:47,540
sort of just project for myself and I

2420
01:41:51,040 --> 01:41:49,040
had set this up and I didn't thinking

2421
01:41:52,720 --> 01:41:51,050
about it and contemplating it for a

2422
01:41:54,100 --> 01:41:52,730
couple of months and I went out to the

2423
01:41:56,680 --> 01:41:54,110
location I was going to go out and this

2424
01:41:58,660 --> 01:41:56,690
is up in Lake your own area a nice

2425
01:42:01,870 --> 01:41:58,670
remote area that I had been staying at

2426
01:42:04,090 --> 01:42:01,880
so the first night up there no cameras

2427
01:42:06,250 --> 01:42:04,100
no nothing I'm went out to the lake and

2428
01:42:09,430 --> 01:42:06,260
I was out there with two other people

2429
01:42:11,560 --> 01:42:09,440
and that's of course with no cameras

2430
01:42:13,630 --> 01:42:11,570
when I saw this light and from this

2431
01:42:16,390 --> 01:42:13,640
light seemed to morph at a flying saucer

2432
01:42:19,150 --> 01:42:16,400
at that point I just sort of I was

2433
01:42:21,910 --> 01:42:19,160
chuckling to myself thinking of course

2434
01:42:23,590 --> 01:42:21,920
there's no camera equipment here and I

2435
01:42:25,690 --> 01:42:23,600
just thought this is almost as if some

2436
01:42:27,700 --> 01:42:25,700
cosmic trickster was sort of like just

2437
01:42:29,170 --> 01:42:27,710
yeah well there you go this is this is

2438
01:42:31,090 --> 01:42:29,180
what you get for trying to plan out a

2439
01:42:32,920 --> 01:42:31,100
sky watch we're gonna show up when

2440
01:42:36,250 --> 01:42:32,930
you're least expecting it so there that

2441
01:42:38,560 --> 01:42:36,260
was that experience and that was a bit I

2442
01:42:41,110 --> 01:42:38,570
open for me that's the trickster at work

2443
01:42:42,580 --> 01:42:41,120
if you look at the whole you folks

2444
01:42:44,620 --> 01:42:42,590
grants and other experiences to

2445
01:42:46,720 --> 01:42:44,630
paranormal there seems to be the

2446
01:42:49,570 --> 01:42:46,730
trickster archetype or motif that can be

2447
01:42:51,970 --> 01:42:49,580
applied to much of this even like with

2448
01:42:54,760 --> 01:42:51,980
the best of intentions people will go

2449
01:42:56,170 --> 01:42:54,770
out and they they do things like say

2450
01:42:58,810 --> 01:42:56,180
going to a haunted house and having a

2451
01:43:00,520 --> 01:42:58,820
vigil and it's usually the best sort of

2452
01:43:03,730 --> 01:43:00,530
things happen when the equipment is

2453
01:43:05,740 --> 01:43:03,740
switched off or the batteries drained or

2454
01:43:07,390 --> 01:43:05,750
they've given up on the vigil and

2455
01:43:09,430 --> 01:43:07,400
they're there sort of discussing about

2456
01:43:11,050 --> 01:43:09,440
it okay so you know we're tired it's

2457
01:43:13,390 --> 01:43:11,060
4:00 a.m. where let's go get a coffee

2458
01:43:15,850 --> 01:43:13,400
and this is where you'll get this spooky

2459
01:43:17,920 --> 01:43:15,860
voice that bisects their recording so

2460
01:43:19,960 --> 01:43:17,930
it's not like something that that

2461
01:43:22,810 --> 01:43:19,970
happens that you can sort of electively

2462
01:43:24,250 --> 01:43:22,820
seems to happen exactly as you want it

2463
01:43:26,650 --> 01:43:24,260
to this is where you get more to the

2464
01:43:28,930 --> 01:43:26,660
sort of magic sort of aspects of the

2465
01:43:31,660 --> 01:43:28,940
phenomena is it's it's is almost has a

2466
01:43:34,000 --> 01:43:31,670
sort of trickster II motif that goes

2467
01:43:36,010 --> 01:43:34,010
along with the experience you can have

2468
01:43:38,140 --> 01:43:36,020
these most spectacular things and and

2469
01:43:39,340 --> 01:43:38,150
the the losers of cameras are not

2470
01:43:41,980 --> 01:43:39,350
working or their ton of

2471
01:43:44,320 --> 01:43:41,990
around its it's a spontaneous somehow

2472
01:43:46,900 --> 01:43:44,330
regardless of the best of planning so

2473
01:43:49,570 --> 01:43:46,910
this phenomena that you're talking about

2474
01:43:50,350 --> 01:43:49,580
to me looking at it and I know exactly

2475
01:43:52,810 --> 01:43:50,360
what you're saying

2476
01:43:54,970 --> 01:43:52,820
Christopher O Brien our usual co-host

2477
01:43:57,280 --> 01:43:54,980
here has also got an excellent book on

2478
01:44:00,340 --> 01:43:57,290
the trickster a couple of them some of

2479
01:44:03,430 --> 01:44:00,350
the best I've I've seen on it and what I

2480
01:44:05,980 --> 01:44:03,440
seem to notice is the common denominator

2481
01:44:08,620 --> 01:44:05,990
with all of this is that there's an air

2482
01:44:12,850 --> 01:44:08,630
of uncertainty about it it doesn't ever

2483
01:44:16,600 --> 01:44:12,860
want to leave enough evidence for people

2484
01:44:20,050 --> 01:44:16,610
to be able to say that this is proof for

2485
01:44:23,230 --> 01:44:20,060
someone else it's proof for them but not

2486
01:44:25,540 --> 01:44:23,240
for someone else who's looking for some

2487
01:44:28,360 --> 01:44:25,550
sort of confirmation and so we've got

2488
01:44:31,660 --> 01:44:28,370
all of these people in society separated

2489
01:44:34,300 --> 01:44:31,670
by an inability to essentially read each

2490
01:44:36,070 --> 01:44:34,310
other's minds and try to have some sort

2491
01:44:39,070 --> 01:44:36,080
of connection it's it's really quite

2492
01:44:41,290 --> 01:44:39,080
interesting but we know everyone is out

2493
01:44:45,100 --> 01:44:41,300
there who's had these experiences but we

2494
01:44:45,730 --> 01:44:45,110
don't know for sure which one we have no

2495
01:44:48,460 --> 01:44:45,740
evidence

2496
01:44:49,900 --> 01:44:48,470
we just know it has to be there well

2497
01:44:51,850 --> 01:44:49,910
that's the thing maybe there's that

2498
01:44:53,920 --> 01:44:51,860
message maybe there's the lesson in that

2499
01:44:56,950 --> 01:44:53,930
I don't I don't really know but you're

2500
01:45:00,340 --> 01:44:56,960
right I think that's a really important

2501
01:45:03,280 --> 01:45:00,350
part of this whole phenomenon for people

2502
01:45:06,250 --> 01:45:03,290
who know this truth for us to find a way

2503
01:45:08,380 --> 01:45:06,260
to make that connection I think that's

2504
01:45:10,240 --> 01:45:08,390
the challenge if I was to look at it and

2505
01:45:12,790 --> 01:45:10,250
say if there was any sort of intent

2506
01:45:16,180 --> 01:45:12,800
behind it at all that seems to be part

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01:45:20,270 --> 01:45:16,190
of it sue Jean Randall you're in the

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nine a week Randall you were going to

2588
01:49:07,270 --> 01:49:04,010
ask a question in our last segment but

2589
01:49:10,259 --> 01:49:07,280
we had a stop for business go ahead

2590
01:49:14,679 --> 01:49:10,269
please just briefly returning to your

2591
01:49:16,500 --> 01:49:14,689
2016 sighting yes Susan I was asking if

2592
01:49:19,660 --> 01:49:16,510
the other two people that you were with

2593
01:49:23,319 --> 01:49:19,670
also saw this light morph into a flying

2594
01:49:25,569 --> 01:49:23,329
saucer yes they actually they did they

2595
01:49:28,089 --> 01:49:25,579
had the same experience that I did and

2596
01:49:31,449 --> 01:49:28,099
one of them did actually try and take a

2597
01:49:34,239 --> 01:49:31,459
an image with a cellphone and that image

2598
01:49:35,770 --> 01:49:34,249
really shows nothing it it looks like it

2599
01:49:37,989 --> 01:49:35,780
could be almost because there's the Sun

2600
01:49:40,540 --> 01:49:37,999
was setting at the time so it looks like

2601
01:49:42,520 --> 01:49:40,550
it could be almost a lens flare or just

2602
01:49:47,049 --> 01:49:42,530
this little splotch of light in the sky

2603
01:49:48,729 --> 01:49:47,059
and and it was so it was so absurd but

2604
01:49:50,469 --> 01:49:48,739
in some ways disheartening to me because

2605
01:49:52,029 --> 01:49:50,479
of this project that I wanted to do that

2606
01:49:53,919 --> 01:49:52,039
I get sort of gave up on that project

2607
01:49:55,390 --> 01:49:53,929
but what I did do is I sort of I made a

2608
01:49:56,670 --> 01:49:55,400
piece of glass getting back to

2609
01:49:58,740 --> 01:49:56,680
creativity

2610
01:50:00,300 --> 01:49:58,750
I made a piece of glass that sort of

2611
01:50:02,010 --> 01:50:00,310
immortalized the experience where I put

2612
01:50:05,040 --> 01:50:02,020
in this teeny little piece of Lights

2613
01:50:08,790 --> 01:50:05,050
this little glass bit of what would be

2614
01:50:11,600 --> 01:50:08,800
light and on a Setting Sun and sort of

2615
01:50:14,340 --> 01:50:11,610
immortalized the experience for myself

2616
01:50:16,650 --> 01:50:14,350
it was very strange and like I said I

2617
01:50:18,540 --> 01:50:16,660
had planned to sort of do sort of

2618
01:50:20,370 --> 01:50:18,550
impromptu sky watching and do sort of

2619
01:50:22,950 --> 01:50:20,380
things to sort of provoke or manifest

2620
01:50:24,750 --> 01:50:22,960
the phenomena and and I was hoping to

2621
01:50:27,360 --> 01:50:24,760
get some sort of thing going with the

2622
01:50:31,410 --> 01:50:27,370
camera and that just never worked out it

2623
01:50:33,480 --> 01:50:31,420
it was so bizarre and thankfully there

2624
01:50:36,600 --> 01:50:33,490
were two other people with me that could

2625
01:50:38,220 --> 01:50:36,610
say yeah this happened because otherwise

2626
01:50:40,890 --> 01:50:38,230
I might not have even believed it myself

2627
01:50:43,350 --> 01:50:40,900
what was so absurd and strange that you

2628
01:50:45,030 --> 01:50:43,360
know here's this light and I didn't even

2629
01:50:46,560 --> 01:50:45,040
see it first was my companion that was

2630
01:50:49,170 --> 01:50:46,570
with me was pointing out the light and

2631
01:50:51,470 --> 01:50:49,180
it was sort of sort of pulsing and and

2632
01:50:54,180 --> 01:50:51,480
then it just sort of morphed into a UFO

2633
01:50:57,270 --> 01:50:54,190
so this wasn't something that was as

2634
01:50:59,070 --> 01:50:57,280
close as when you saw in 2001 it was

2635
01:51:00,990 --> 01:50:59,080
must have been off in the distance to

2636
01:51:03,750 --> 01:51:01,000
some degree it was often more into the

2637
01:51:06,990 --> 01:51:03,760
distance whereas the it was close but

2638
01:51:12,120 --> 01:51:07,000
not it's not in the closest that I ever

2639
01:51:14,880 --> 01:51:12,130
had was that 2001 was very close and it

2640
01:51:17,520 --> 01:51:14,890
was seemed excessively structured like

2641
01:51:19,620 --> 01:51:17,530
it was like a spaceship and there were

2642
01:51:21,750 --> 01:51:19,630
those lights that were coming down they

2643
01:51:23,160 --> 01:51:21,760
came down it was at first I thought it

2644
01:51:24,780 --> 01:51:23,170
was triangular shaped and then I

2645
01:51:27,630 --> 01:51:24,790
realized it was more of a diamond shape

2646
01:51:29,700 --> 01:51:27,640
the sort of red light sort of descended

2647
01:51:30,990 --> 01:51:29,710
and not at the speed of light either

2648
01:51:32,940 --> 01:51:31,000
it's not like I just switched on it was

2649
01:51:35,070 --> 01:51:32,950
almost colonnaded lights it's sort of

2650
01:51:36,930 --> 01:51:35,080
descended from it and I could see it I

2651
01:51:38,610 --> 01:51:36,940
could look down over the water because I

2652
01:51:41,820 --> 01:51:38,620
was on this sort of it's almost like a

2653
01:51:44,040 --> 01:51:41,830
small cliff sort of in that area of Ajax

2654
01:51:45,600 --> 01:51:44,050
Ontario that I was able to look down on

2655
01:51:47,790 --> 01:51:45,610
the water and I could see that the

2656
01:51:50,130 --> 01:51:47,800
lights playing off the water and again

2657
01:51:53,310 --> 01:51:50,140
it was that sort of surreal like my god

2658
01:51:55,680 --> 01:51:53,320
like you know I'm witnessing this this

2659
01:51:59,160 --> 01:51:55,690
amazing thing and then it just sort of

2660
01:52:00,950 --> 01:51:59,170
shocks you it and same with the friend

2661
01:52:04,230 --> 01:52:00,960
that I had that was with me at the time

2662
01:52:07,230 --> 01:52:04,240
it was quite shocking and very real and

2663
01:52:10,500 --> 01:52:07,240
seemed very very solid and like a

2664
01:52:12,210 --> 01:52:10,510
spaceship but I said I am NOT

2665
01:52:15,180 --> 01:52:12,220
percent sold I think something would

2666
01:52:16,770 --> 01:52:15,190
like us to believe in spaceships but I'm

2667
01:52:20,820 --> 01:52:16,780
not a hundred percent sold but that's

2668
01:52:22,800 --> 01:52:20,830
the case but the the one in 2016 so say

2669
01:52:25,080 --> 01:52:22,810
you know using the old quarter at an

2670
01:52:27,840 --> 01:52:25,090
arm's length or something about you know

2671
01:52:29,729 --> 01:52:27,850
bigger than the full moon or yeah it was

2672
01:52:31,920 --> 01:52:29,739
bigger than that and it was it was more

2673
01:52:33,420 --> 01:52:31,930
like a classic flying-saucer these are

2674
01:52:35,160 --> 01:52:33,430
types you don't even really get reported

2675
01:52:36,870 --> 01:52:35,170
all that often anymore it tends to be

2676
01:52:38,910 --> 01:52:36,880
more the triangles and these types of

2677
01:52:39,840 --> 01:52:38,920
things but it was like a classic

2678
01:52:42,390 --> 01:52:39,850
flying-saucer

2679
01:52:43,950 --> 01:52:42,400
and just like spinning I couldn't

2680
01:52:45,720 --> 01:52:43,960
believe that this was a guy I almost

2681
01:52:48,000 --> 01:52:45,730
laughed at this point I just couldn't

2682
01:52:49,979 --> 01:52:48,010
believe it was happening but it did and

2683
01:52:52,530 --> 01:52:49,989
thankfully there were other witnesses

2684
01:52:54,060 --> 01:52:52,540
there so to this day I don't know what

2685
01:52:56,190 --> 01:52:54,070
it was it almost it almost had that

2686
01:52:57,810 --> 01:52:56,200
feeling of like haha I know you were

2687
01:52:59,910 --> 01:52:57,820
gonna go out look for us but here we are

2688
01:53:06,180 --> 01:52:59,920
and you don't have a camera that's how I

2689
01:53:09,600 --> 01:53:06,190
felt anyway I think you're incredibly

2690
01:53:11,940 --> 01:53:09,610
brave for coming forward and saying some

2691
01:53:13,740 --> 01:53:11,950
of the things that you do because the

2692
01:53:16,650 --> 01:53:13,750
impressions that you're you talk about

2693
01:53:17,910 --> 01:53:16,660
just matter-of-factly I've experienced

2694
01:53:20,700 --> 01:53:17,920
some of them and some pretty other

2695
01:53:23,490 --> 01:53:20,710
bizarre things too but I have a a really

2696
01:53:26,840 --> 01:53:23,500
hard time sometimes just getting them

2697
01:53:29,850 --> 01:53:26,850
out there because they do sound so

2698
01:53:32,310 --> 01:53:29,860
unusual that people might be inclined to

2699
01:53:35,910 --> 01:53:32,320
just you know think I've lost my marbles

2700
01:53:39,270 --> 01:53:35,920
or something this is why I'm doing it is

2701
01:53:41,490 --> 01:53:39,280
because I have any hope to ever try to

2702
01:53:43,470 --> 01:53:41,500
understand this and at least try and

2703
01:53:46,920 --> 01:53:43,480
formulate better questions that have

2704
01:53:49,200 --> 01:53:46,930
been put forward to date then we need

2705
01:53:51,390 --> 01:53:49,210
this information it's the devil in these

2706
01:53:53,760 --> 01:53:51,400
absurd details it's why I think current

2707
01:53:55,860 --> 01:53:53,770
science is not it doesn't have the best

2708
01:53:58,530 --> 01:53:55,870
tools to really study what's happening

2709
01:54:00,900 --> 01:53:58,540
here we're asking the rational which is

2710
01:54:04,590 --> 01:54:00,910
science to try and describe or explain

2711
01:54:07,290 --> 01:54:04,600
the irrational and this phenomena as

2712
01:54:09,420 --> 01:54:07,300
real as it is as as physical as it can

2713
01:54:11,550 --> 01:54:09,430
be sometimes and we do know that again

2714
01:54:13,800 --> 01:54:11,560
from physical traces from radar hits

2715
01:54:15,780 --> 01:54:13,810
from the occasional I know that they

2716
01:54:17,640 --> 01:54:15,790
they have gotten occasional lock-ons

2717
01:54:19,680 --> 01:54:17,650
okay when they scramble these jets

2718
01:54:21,330 --> 01:54:19,690
chasing these things I don't think the

2719
01:54:22,770 --> 01:54:21,340
government really knows anything anymore

2720
01:54:24,629 --> 01:54:22,780
than we do

2721
01:54:27,149 --> 01:54:24,639
I know intelligence services have played

2722
01:54:29,220 --> 01:54:27,159
dirty pool with the in trying to with

2723
01:54:30,660 --> 01:54:29,230
folklore and different things that way

2724
01:54:33,029 --> 01:54:30,670
but I don't think we'll ever get a

2725
01:54:36,299 --> 01:54:33,039
straight answer from that but I think if

2726
01:54:38,879 --> 01:54:36,309
we try and focus maybe on the witnesses

2727
01:54:41,640 --> 01:54:38,889
and some of these very strange strange

2728
01:54:43,830 --> 01:54:41,650
things that are happening maybe with

2729
01:54:46,290 --> 01:54:43,840
that and using different sort of

2730
01:54:49,649 --> 01:54:46,300
disciplines with even an art sometimes

2731
01:54:51,510 --> 01:54:49,659
art might be better or music to try and

2732
01:54:53,970 --> 01:54:51,520
and and and and formulate different

2733
01:54:55,529 --> 01:54:53,980
models and lenses to examine these

2734
01:54:58,169 --> 01:54:55,539
experiences maybe we'll get better

2735
01:55:01,350 --> 01:54:58,179
questions I don't know we can definitely

2736
01:55:03,319 --> 01:55:01,360
take the close encounter theme and play

2737
01:55:06,390 --> 01:55:03,329
the full volume and see how they respond

2738
01:55:08,250 --> 01:55:06,400
why not why not let's do everything

2739
01:55:10,680 --> 01:55:08,260
let's let's just do it all and see what

2740
01:55:12,299 --> 01:55:10,690
happens because we don't know the other

2741
01:55:15,959 --> 01:55:12,309
possibility is if they are spaceships

2742
01:55:18,020 --> 01:55:15,969
what you see is not what you get they

2743
01:55:20,609 --> 01:55:18,030
appear that way because we could not

2744
01:55:25,669 --> 01:55:20,619
accept their true appearance whatever it

2745
01:55:27,810 --> 01:55:25,679
is because we think here of Star Trek as

2746
01:55:29,939 --> 01:55:27,820
something that's supposed to happen 200

2747
01:55:32,220 --> 01:55:29,949
years from now but everything is based

2748
01:55:36,390 --> 01:55:32,230
and related to our physical world

2749
01:55:38,310 --> 01:55:36,400
extended somewhat not a lot but extended

2750
01:55:40,379 --> 01:55:38,320
somewhat but if we have a civilization

2751
01:55:43,919 --> 01:55:40,389
that's hundreds or thousands of years

2752
01:55:46,890 --> 01:55:43,929
ahead of us and it comes here would we

2753
01:55:49,080 --> 01:55:46,900
be able in our little ant hills to

2754
01:55:55,620 --> 01:55:49,090
recognize their technology for what it

2755
01:55:57,720 --> 01:55:55,630
is maybe not magic Sagan right what we

2756
01:56:01,290 --> 01:55:57,730
see in terms of a physical or possibly

2757
01:56:03,240 --> 01:56:01,300
physical craft at least trace evidence

2758
01:56:05,899 --> 01:56:03,250
according to Ted Phillips anyway and

2759
01:56:11,669 --> 01:56:05,909
other people yeah what we're seeing is

2760
01:56:13,859 --> 01:56:11,679
an illusion a hologram or something so

2761
01:56:17,069 --> 01:56:13,869
alien to our consciousness that we just

2762
01:56:19,350 --> 01:56:17,079
do the best we can quite possibly I mean

2763
01:56:21,299 --> 01:56:19,360
in ancient times people saw gods in the

2764
01:56:23,370 --> 01:56:21,309
skies they saw dragons they slit

2765
01:56:26,819 --> 01:56:23,380
chariots they saw various things now we

2766
01:56:28,740 --> 01:56:26,829
have spaceships is it all the same thing

2767
01:56:31,229 --> 01:56:28,750
I think so I think that there is a there

2768
01:56:33,330 --> 01:56:31,239
is a tie-in with these more ancient

2769
01:56:35,580 --> 01:56:33,340
experiences and things like that

2770
01:56:36,390 --> 01:56:35,590
doctor valet had noted in passport to

2771
01:56:40,020 --> 01:56:36,400
Magana that

2772
01:56:42,000 --> 01:56:40,030
I is this this modern myth Oh sand and

2773
01:56:44,160 --> 01:56:42,010
ice use mythos is not saying that it's

2774
01:56:47,729 --> 01:56:44,170
not true but it is it is part of a

2775
01:56:50,310 --> 01:56:47,739
mythology that you also see with the

2776
01:56:53,189 --> 01:56:50,320
elves and the fairies and going farther

2777
01:56:55,050 --> 01:56:53,199
back in time when you start stripping

2778
01:56:56,850 --> 01:56:55,060
all the language is away from the words

2779
01:56:59,399 --> 01:56:56,860
and things you start seeing there's this

2780
01:57:02,250 --> 01:56:59,409
base sort of experience that seems to be

2781
01:57:04,290 --> 01:57:02,260
replaying itself across time and maybe

2782
01:57:06,660 --> 01:57:04,300
we are in the time of the spaceship

2783
01:57:08,729 --> 01:57:06,670
maybe the time of the spaceship is it

2784
01:57:12,330 --> 01:57:08,739
will end there or is ending and the

2785
01:57:14,100 --> 01:57:12,340
phenomena will be something else we have

2786
01:57:16,950 --> 01:57:14,110
something else coming right up and then

2787
01:57:20,100 --> 01:57:16,960
we'll proceed trying to sort things out

2788
01:57:23,399 --> 01:57:20,110
with what the UFOs might be all about or

2789
01:57:27,810 --> 01:57:23,409
once again we're looking at phenomena

2790
01:57:36,640 --> 01:57:27,820
that UFOs are only a part of sue Jean

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01:57:40,879 --> 01:57:39,109
attack of the rock ODEs has been

2792
01:57:42,800 --> 01:57:40,889
well-received by critics and readers

2793
01:57:45,649 --> 01:57:42,810
alike it's a thrill a minute story

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01:57:47,990 --> 01:57:45,659
you'll never forget a former US military

2795
01:57:50,240 --> 01:57:48,000
intelligence officer is haunted by

2796
01:57:52,790 --> 01:57:50,250
intense dreams about a beautiful woman

2797
01:57:55,640 --> 01:57:52,800
pleading for his help after a terrible

2798
01:57:57,770 --> 01:57:55,650
battle in outer space but the dreams

2799
01:57:59,600 --> 01:57:57,780
turn out to be true and thrust him into

2800
01:58:02,450 --> 01:57:59,610
a telepathic love affair with a woman

2801
01:58:04,790 --> 01:58:02,460
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at the risk of not being sexist you know

2895
02:02:11,439 --> 02:02:05,360
it's like gives whose name first

2896
02:02:12,790 --> 02:02:11,449
okay you're not sexist I'm not I don't

2897
02:02:14,500 --> 02:02:12,800
know what I am I haven't figured that

2898
02:02:17,590 --> 02:02:14,510
out yet maybe in about ten years if I'm

2899
02:02:19,689 --> 02:02:17,600
still here but maybe the problem with

2900
02:02:22,810 --> 02:02:19,699
UFOs is we don't know how to ask the

2901
02:02:25,450 --> 02:02:22,820
right questions yet yes that's exactly

2902
02:02:28,270 --> 02:02:25,460
what would I advocate and I think what

2903
02:02:30,970 --> 02:02:28,280
people in my other Co collaborators and

2904
02:02:35,050 --> 02:02:30,980
UFOs reframing the debate are advocating

2905
02:02:38,979 --> 02:02:35,060
for is new questions that's all

2906
02:02:42,640 --> 02:02:38,989
just new lenses new new ways it's it's

2907
02:02:45,100 --> 02:02:42,650
not the that the et jizz is terribly

2908
02:02:47,410 --> 02:02:45,110
wrong or bad or whatever I mean I I'm

2909
02:02:50,020 --> 02:02:47,420
still open to the possibility it could

2910
02:02:53,439 --> 02:02:50,030
be correct but it really hasn't gotten

2911
02:02:57,160 --> 02:02:53,449
us anywhere it hasn't helped us to we

2912
02:02:59,410 --> 02:02:57,170
are no farther than we were say seventy

2913
02:03:03,100 --> 02:02:59,420
years ago and understanding what's

2914
02:03:04,899 --> 02:03:03,110
happening nothing has really changed you

2915
02:03:06,700 --> 02:03:04,909
have some you have core believers you

2916
02:03:08,050 --> 02:03:06,710
have people that have had experiences

2917
02:03:09,640 --> 02:03:08,060
that know that there's something real

2918
02:03:12,129 --> 02:03:09,650
but they really don't have any answers

2919
02:03:13,870 --> 02:03:12,139
other than beyond perhaps a very strong

2920
02:03:16,359 --> 02:03:13,880
belief in what they feel they know is

2921
02:03:18,100 --> 02:03:16,369
true you have another small segment of

2922
02:03:19,959 --> 02:03:18,110
the population that seems to make it

2923
02:03:22,270 --> 02:03:19,969
their business to poopoo it

2924
02:03:24,880 --> 02:03:22,280
and say it's nothing and and you people

2925
02:03:26,530 --> 02:03:24,890
are all crazy and and and and science

2926
02:03:27,550 --> 02:03:26,540
which they don't speak really for

2927
02:03:29,530 --> 02:03:27,560
science and then you have the vast

2928
02:03:31,720 --> 02:03:29,540
majority of people walking around that

2929
02:03:33,939 --> 02:03:31,730
really could care less beyond you know

2930
02:03:36,070 --> 02:03:33,949
occasional the pop culture reference and

2931
02:03:38,740 --> 02:03:36,080
movie that might be fun for them we

2932
02:03:40,750 --> 02:03:38,750
haven't really progressed and I think

2933
02:03:42,340 --> 02:03:40,760
that new questions are what's going to

2934
02:03:44,560 --> 02:03:42,350
be needed and to gain those new

2935
02:03:47,500 --> 02:03:44,570
questions we need new lenses we need new

2936
02:03:51,459 --> 02:03:47,510
ways like parapsychology like other

2937
02:03:53,500 --> 02:03:51,469
again magic art different ways of

2938
02:03:55,360 --> 02:03:53,510
looking at things and then those

2939
02:03:58,780 --> 02:03:55,370
questions may have been merged from that

2940
02:04:01,240 --> 02:03:58,790
you see this is an argument I gave to

2941
02:04:04,150 --> 02:04:01,250
the gentleman who was the executive

2942
02:04:04,720 --> 02:04:04,160
director of MUFON and that as I said to

2943
02:04:07,510 --> 02:04:04,730
him

2944
02:04:11,800 --> 02:04:07,520
MUFON came to be originally as the

2945
02:04:14,020 --> 02:04:11,810
Midwest UFO network in 1969 forty-eight

2946
02:04:16,030 --> 02:04:14,030
years later what if we learned about

2947
02:04:19,270 --> 02:04:16,040
UFOs I don't think you had an answer it

2948
02:04:21,910 --> 02:04:19,280
made any sense no we have a belief

2949
02:04:23,820 --> 02:04:21,920
system that it is the causation is

2950
02:04:26,800 --> 02:04:23,830
aliens that are visiting from other

2951
02:04:29,020 --> 02:04:26,810
planets but beyond that we have nothing

2952
02:04:31,150 --> 02:04:29,030
really nothing that I can see anyway

2953
02:04:34,330 --> 02:04:31,160
that that is that in any way explains it

2954
02:04:36,670 --> 02:04:34,340
any better than when we started this is

2955
02:04:38,340 --> 02:04:36,680
where I end up being criticized

2956
02:04:42,010 --> 02:04:38,350
sometimes they say well this guy

2957
02:04:44,740 --> 02:04:42,020
Steinberg is stuck in the 1950s he's an

2958
02:04:47,320 --> 02:04:44,750
old codger and he's not keeping up to

2959
02:04:49,780 --> 02:04:47,330
date and my whole point is know the

2960
02:04:52,630 --> 02:04:49,790
field is stuck in the 1950s we still

2961
02:04:54,040 --> 02:04:52,640
expect the government to disclose what

2962
02:04:56,080 --> 02:04:54,050
it does it knows that there are

2963
02:04:58,959 --> 02:04:56,090
spaceships maybe they're in touch with

2964
02:05:00,939 --> 02:04:58,969
them and if we play nice you know if we

2965
02:05:03,729 --> 02:05:00,949
asked nicely maybe they'll tell us

2966
02:05:05,320 --> 02:05:03,739
something or we write a petition and we

2967
02:05:07,930 --> 02:05:05,330
send the petition to the government and

2968
02:05:10,330 --> 02:05:07,940
they will say oh look at all the people

2969
02:05:13,090 --> 02:05:10,340
who are interested in UFOs let's respond

2970
02:05:15,520 --> 02:05:13,100
to them and how many times do you repeat

2971
02:05:18,070 --> 02:05:15,530
the same thing before you become the

2972
02:05:20,160 --> 02:05:18,080
classic definition of insanity well

2973
02:05:23,110 --> 02:05:20,170
that's the thing if for some people the

2974
02:05:25,229 --> 02:05:23,120
disclosure movement is and and now I

2975
02:05:28,330 --> 02:05:25,239
believe it's the confirmation movement

2976
02:05:30,430 --> 02:05:28,340
it's a new new sort of verbiage that's

2977
02:05:32,350 --> 02:05:30,440
that's been tagged on to this movement

2978
02:05:33,370 --> 02:05:32,360
that says that you know any minute now

2979
02:05:35,170 --> 02:05:33,380
government is going to tell us

2980
02:05:36,700 --> 02:05:35,180
everything it knows and what we want to

2981
02:05:40,410 --> 02:05:36,710
hear and that's what it is they want

2982
02:05:43,840 --> 02:05:40,420
confirmation bias they want to be told

2983
02:05:47,020 --> 02:05:43,850
you when you believe is true and by the

2984
02:05:49,180 --> 02:05:47,030
same bodies that they feel are liars t

2985
02:05:51,430 --> 02:05:49,190
does become a bit sort of irrational

2986
02:05:53,980 --> 02:05:51,440
again much like the phenomena can be

2987
02:05:56,710 --> 02:05:53,990
irrational to sort of expect that

2988
02:05:58,450 --> 02:05:56,720
governments are going to all of a sudden

2989
02:05:59,980 --> 02:05:58,460
and and they have and this is the

2990
02:06:01,810 --> 02:05:59,990
problem they have been disclosing

2991
02:06:03,430 --> 02:06:01,820
militaries actually and people don't

2992
02:06:05,380 --> 02:06:03,440
like to hear this but it's true the US

2993
02:06:07,270 --> 02:06:05,390
military was the first to disclose with

2994
02:06:09,400 --> 02:06:07,280
Project Blue Book which they made

2995
02:06:10,840 --> 02:06:09,410
available to the public you can look at

2996
02:06:12,550 --> 02:06:10,850
other governments around the world I

2997
02:06:16,090 --> 02:06:12,560
mean the French government itself

2998
02:06:18,190 --> 02:06:16,100
actually sponsors the UFO sort of

2999
02:06:19,990 --> 02:06:18,200
research other governments around the

3000
02:06:22,540 --> 02:06:20,000
world have been disclosing in South

3001
02:06:24,610 --> 02:06:22,550
America they have disclosed they you

3002
02:06:27,550 --> 02:06:24,620
know I don't really think that they know

3003
02:06:29,440 --> 02:06:27,560
any much more than we do other than

3004
02:06:31,360 --> 02:06:29,450
their own sort of secrets that maybe

3005
02:06:33,580 --> 02:06:31,370
surround the Cold War and various sort

3006
02:06:35,380 --> 02:06:33,590
of war and that sort of thing I don't

3007
02:06:37,720 --> 02:06:35,390
think they know any much more than we do

3008
02:06:40,240 --> 02:06:37,730
and and I think it's just sort of it's

3009
02:06:41,890 --> 02:06:40,250
an intellectual lazy position to be in

3010
02:06:43,750 --> 02:06:41,900
where you can just say okay I don't have

3011
02:06:45,790 --> 02:06:43,760
to think any more about this I know it's

3012
02:06:47,320 --> 02:06:45,800
aliens and I'm just waiting any minute

3013
02:06:49,600 --> 02:06:47,330
now for the government to tell me yes

3014
02:06:51,310 --> 02:06:49,610
I'm right that's to me sums up the

3015
02:06:52,930 --> 02:06:51,320
disclosure movement I don't think it's

3016
02:06:54,940 --> 02:06:52,940
it's gonna lead anywhere

3017
02:06:57,010 --> 02:06:54,950
I think I think what you have is you

3018
02:06:59,410 --> 02:06:57,020
have a mixed bag of people high-level

3019
02:07:02,140 --> 02:06:59,420
people in government who might be

3020
02:07:03,640 --> 02:07:02,150
interested in the phenomena and you have

3021
02:07:05,860 --> 02:07:03,650
other people who could care less about

3022
02:07:08,500 --> 02:07:05,870
it and and that's gonna be the majority

3023
02:07:10,660 --> 02:07:08,510
of people so just like the general

3024
02:07:12,100 --> 02:07:10,670
public and anyone who's ever worked in

3025
02:07:14,740 --> 02:07:12,110
government positions will tell you with

3026
02:07:17,260 --> 02:07:14,750
the Bureau accuracy alone and and trying

3027
02:07:20,020 --> 02:07:17,270
to keep like some massive secret is

3028
02:07:22,630 --> 02:07:20,030
going to be virtually impossible people

3029
02:07:29,470 --> 02:07:22,640
talk especially when we're talking here

3030
02:07:34,030 --> 02:07:29,480
about not 48 years 58 years yeah of UFOs

3031
02:07:36,490 --> 02:07:34,040
60 years 70 years it's been going on for

3032
02:07:39,030 --> 02:07:36,500
years and when is somebody going to

3033
02:07:41,530 --> 02:07:39,040
reveal the information we have alleged

3034
02:07:42,740 --> 02:07:41,540
whistleblowers from time to time who

3035
02:07:46,070 --> 02:07:42,750
tell us things

3036
02:07:48,800 --> 02:07:46,080
mmm-hmm we have this airforce

3037
02:07:53,030 --> 02:07:48,810
disinformation guy Richard Doty ever

3038
02:07:55,070 --> 02:07:53,040
hear of him oh yes okay now I may get

3039
02:07:56,780 --> 02:07:55,080
him on the para cast this has been a

3040
02:07:59,180 --> 02:07:56,790
back-and-forth that happens every so

3041
02:08:01,580 --> 02:07:59,190
often but he did tell me in one email

3042
02:08:04,070 --> 02:08:01,590
and I feel that there was nothing he

3043
02:08:06,530 --> 02:08:04,080
said that was secret that we in the UFO

3044
02:08:08,540 --> 02:08:06,540
field don't know anything we got it all

3045
02:08:14,750 --> 02:08:08,550
wrong I don't think he was talking about

3046
02:08:17,000 --> 02:08:14,760
what we're talking about what do we know

3047
02:08:19,850 --> 02:08:17,010
we know that people good people

3048
02:08:21,800 --> 02:08:19,860
sane people from all sorts of different

3049
02:08:23,540 --> 02:08:21,810
backgrounds with the exception of maybe

3050
02:08:26,570 --> 02:08:23,550
a higher preponderance for people who

3051
02:08:29,270 --> 02:08:26,580
are creative types that have these

3052
02:08:31,520 --> 02:08:29,280
exceptional experiences that transform

3053
02:08:33,740 --> 02:08:31,530
them either on a personal level or in

3054
02:08:36,080 --> 02:08:33,750
the case of maybe large UFO waves on a

3055
02:08:36,680 --> 02:08:36,090
societal level beyond that we know

3056
02:08:40,190 --> 02:08:36,690
nothing

3057
02:08:43,280 --> 02:08:40,200
we really don't so yes in that case he's

3058
02:08:45,050 --> 02:08:43,290
correct but he is another one and and if

3059
02:08:48,650 --> 02:08:45,060
he's listening in he's a trickster

3060
02:08:50,570 --> 02:08:48,660
another trickster type person and and

3061
02:08:53,330 --> 02:08:50,580
you find a lot of this within the

3062
02:08:55,130 --> 02:08:53,340
paranormal community people that are

3063
02:08:56,600 --> 02:08:55,140
very sort of and maybe there's some

3064
02:08:58,340 --> 02:08:56,610
truths a little bit of truth to what

3065
02:09:00,140 --> 02:08:58,350
they're saying maybe there's a lot of

3066
02:09:03,140 --> 02:09:00,150
showmanship to what they're saying

3067
02:09:04,970 --> 02:09:03,150
maybe there's disinformation in there so

3068
02:09:07,880 --> 02:09:04,980
you have to be aware of that sort of -

3069
02:09:09,020 --> 02:09:07,890
which is why I tend to I tend to stay

3070
02:09:10,910 --> 02:09:09,030
away from the experts or the

3071
02:09:12,500 --> 02:09:10,920
self-proclaimed experts and I look more

3072
02:09:14,450 --> 02:09:12,510
towards the actual people who are out

3073
02:09:16,250 --> 02:09:14,460
the average person who's having this

3074
02:09:18,110 --> 02:09:16,260
experience I'm gonna get better

3075
02:09:20,510 --> 02:09:18,120
information from that than trying to

3076
02:09:23,390 --> 02:09:20,520
chase this white rabbit down this this

3077
02:09:25,730 --> 02:09:23,400
hole into the you know intelligence

3078
02:09:27,710 --> 02:09:25,740
services and and all this kind of stuff

3079
02:09:29,780 --> 02:09:27,720
if you want to pursue that fine but I

3080
02:09:32,780 --> 02:09:29,790
don't think it's going to to bring us

3081
02:09:34,910 --> 02:09:32,790
any closer to the phenomena of what's

3082
02:09:36,980 --> 02:09:34,920
happening but and even then how can we

3083
02:09:40,670 --> 02:09:36,990
trust any of what's being told to us

3084
02:09:42,620 --> 02:09:40,680
right well it is definitely interesting

3085
02:09:45,110 --> 02:09:42,630
from that Paris sociological point of

3086
02:09:46,460 --> 02:09:45,120
view though I mean hardly you couldn't

3087
02:09:49,040 --> 02:09:46,470
have anything much more interesting than

3088
02:09:51,050 --> 02:09:49,050
then Doty in the aviary and I love that

3089
02:09:53,210 --> 02:09:51,060
when you start looking at that because I

3090
02:09:55,160 --> 02:09:53,220
mean that's why I kind of laugh because

3091
02:09:56,320 --> 02:09:55,170
what else would you expect from Doty but

3092
02:09:59,410 --> 02:09:56,330
to tell us that we have it

3093
02:10:01,540 --> 02:09:59,420
because that's exactly what he his whole

3094
02:10:05,920 --> 02:10:01,550
purpose is is that throw confusion into

3095
02:10:08,440 --> 02:10:05,930
the thing yo there's a trickster before

3096
02:10:11,010 --> 02:10:08,450
we are tricked out of existence here

3097
02:10:13,900 --> 02:10:11,020
let's do this break okay

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today this is Marie G Jones the author

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of this book is from the future and you

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are listening to the podcast the gold

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standard of paranormal radio this is not

3214
02:15:07,440 --> 02:15:05,950
quoting the letter from Rick Doty that I

3215
02:15:09,120 --> 02:15:07,450
have in front of me now but it quotes

3216
02:15:13,320 --> 02:15:09,130
something else where he quotes Phil

3217
02:15:16,170 --> 02:15:13,330
class the infamous skeptic who said the

3218
02:15:19,290 --> 02:15:16,180
UFO community does more harm to

3219
02:15:22,800 --> 02:15:19,300
themselves within then I could do to

3220
02:15:25,470 --> 02:15:22,810
them from outside I agree with that I do

3221
02:15:28,080 --> 02:15:25,480
think so as well but he is again another

3222
02:15:30,060 --> 02:15:28,090
trickster like character and I think of

3223
02:15:32,160 --> 02:15:30,070
the famous class curse where we what

3224
02:15:33,540 --> 02:15:32,170
we're all cursed to never renounce who

3225
02:15:35,160 --> 02:15:33,550
can get to the end of our lives without

3226
02:15:39,210 --> 02:15:35,170
ever really knowing what is going on

3227
02:15:43,500 --> 02:15:39,220
with the UFOs but he himself was a

3228
02:15:45,450 --> 02:15:43,510
trickster like person but these people

3229
02:15:47,220 --> 02:15:45,460
also they serve some sort of role or

3230
02:15:50,310 --> 02:15:47,230
function I think to the greater sort of

3231
02:15:52,350 --> 02:15:50,320
picture in that they also enact change

3232
02:15:54,810 --> 02:15:52,360
you know they also either reinforce

3233
02:15:56,670 --> 02:15:54,820
beliefs because you know that when you

3234
02:15:58,440 --> 02:15:56,680
have a very strong belief and someone

3235
02:15:59,880 --> 02:15:58,450
sort of fights against it it tighten it

3236
02:16:02,250 --> 02:15:59,890
tends to entrench we know this through

3237
02:16:04,830 --> 02:16:02,260
psychology it tends to entrench that

3238
02:16:06,660 --> 02:16:04,840
belief even further so when you have the

3239
02:16:09,180 --> 02:16:06,670
two true believers and you have these

3240
02:16:11,360 --> 02:16:09,190
these are skeptics coming in they're uh

3241
02:16:14,430 --> 02:16:11,370
they're actually the only work towards

3242
02:16:18,090 --> 02:16:14,440
enforcing reinforcing Andry entrenching

3243
02:16:20,640 --> 02:16:18,100
that belief system in the others so I

3244
02:16:23,250 --> 02:16:20,650
mean class himself was a trickster like

3245
02:16:25,140 --> 02:16:23,260
character although all of these ones

3246
02:16:27,030 --> 02:16:25,150
that tend to be become really like sort

3247
02:16:29,550 --> 02:16:27,040
of UFO celebrities which he was in his

3248
02:16:31,590 --> 02:16:29,560
own sort of way a UFO celebrity they

3249
02:16:33,570 --> 02:16:31,600
tend to be to have that sort of those

3250
02:16:35,640 --> 02:16:33,580
trickster like this sort of

3251
02:16:37,170 --> 02:16:35,650
characteristics within themselves I

3252
02:16:40,831 --> 02:16:37,180
think so anyway

3253
02:16:41,670 --> 02:16:40,841
I wonder here whether the authorities

3254
02:16:44,670 --> 02:16:41,680
the military

3255
02:16:49,320 --> 02:16:44,680
sometimes takes advantage of UFO and the

3256
02:16:52,110 --> 02:16:49,330
UFO mythology to do their own things to

3257
02:16:53,820 --> 02:16:52,120
engage the experimentation to hide in

3258
02:16:55,530 --> 02:16:53,830
plain sight well we've got our test

3259
02:16:57,719 --> 02:16:55,540
aircraft we'll send it out there

3260
02:17:00,360 --> 02:16:57,729
and if someone sees it oh it's just a

3261
02:17:01,919 --> 02:17:00,370
UFO forget about it oh for sure and

3262
02:17:04,259 --> 02:17:01,929
there's evidence of that too there's

3263
02:17:07,410 --> 02:17:04,269
also evidence of social experiments that

3264
02:17:09,120 --> 02:17:07,420
were done that this was covered by my

3265
02:17:11,669 --> 02:17:09,130
one of my co collaborators of the book

3266
02:17:14,940 --> 02:17:11,679
small Lewis who is discussing how

3267
02:17:17,190 --> 02:17:14,950
they've weaponized the UFO sort of

3268
02:17:20,129 --> 02:17:17,200
folklore and Methos and things to do

3269
02:17:23,160 --> 02:17:20,139
social experiments to hide sort of their

3270
02:17:24,750 --> 02:17:23,170
own projects or and and and yeah

3271
02:17:27,599 --> 02:17:24,760
absolutely you would be naive to think

3272
02:17:29,370 --> 02:17:27,609
that they haven't done that but that in

3273
02:17:32,700 --> 02:17:29,380
itself doesn't bring us any closer to

3274
02:17:34,379 --> 02:17:32,710
what the actual UFOs are because not all

3275
02:17:37,650 --> 02:17:34,389
of these experiences are going to be

3276
02:17:39,570 --> 02:17:37,660
explained by you know some you know the

3277
02:17:41,639 --> 02:17:39,580
government playing dirty pool or in this

3278
02:17:42,990 --> 02:17:41,649
case intelligence services more so even

3279
02:17:44,700 --> 02:17:43,000
than the military it's the intelligence

3280
02:17:47,309 --> 02:17:44,710
services that are playing dirty pool

3281
02:17:49,379 --> 02:17:47,319
with the topic itself putting a

3282
02:17:52,320 --> 02:17:49,389
disinformation or they're hiding their

3283
02:17:54,480 --> 02:17:52,330
own projects by maybe making the you

3284
02:17:56,790 --> 02:17:54,490
know other things look absolutely crazy

3285
02:17:58,830 --> 02:17:56,800
I mean maybe I've heard that speculation

3286
02:18:01,139 --> 02:17:58,840
with DeLong as well is that you know

3287
02:18:03,150 --> 02:18:01,149
he's putting out all these hoaxes and

3288
02:18:06,330 --> 02:18:03,160
and and and things that are it's just

3289
02:18:09,000 --> 02:18:06,340
incredibly we again irrational to try

3290
02:18:11,549 --> 02:18:09,010
and say here's the UFOs as they are and

3291
02:18:13,500 --> 02:18:11,559
we know that they're hoaxes and so it

3292
02:18:15,330 --> 02:18:13,510
kind of discredits but at the same time

3293
02:18:18,059 --> 02:18:15,340
is that is that the purpose to discredit

3294
02:18:19,500 --> 02:18:18,069
who knows like that's but all of this

3295
02:18:22,830 --> 02:18:19,510
again it doesn't get us any closer to

3296
02:18:24,719 --> 02:18:22,840
what what may be the mechanism or what

3297
02:18:28,139 --> 02:18:24,729
maybe that's your causation of genuine

3298
02:18:30,150 --> 02:18:28,149
UFO experience I also wonder if when we

3299
02:18:32,940 --> 02:18:30,160
were doing drug experimentation with

3300
02:18:36,000 --> 02:18:32,950
some people whether any of these early

3301
02:18:38,459 --> 02:18:36,010
UFO abductions were in fact the results

3302
02:18:41,339 --> 02:18:38,469
of experimentation messing with their

3303
02:18:43,759 --> 02:18:41,349
minds with hypnosis because you know you

3304
02:18:46,650 --> 02:18:43,769
can pretty well control the narrative

3305
02:18:48,959 --> 02:18:46,660
with the right commands and they believe

3306
02:18:50,969 --> 02:18:48,969
they were abducted then I keep saying

3307
02:18:53,099 --> 02:18:50,979
this about Barney and Betty Hill because

3308
02:18:55,290 --> 02:18:53,109
they live near a military base most of

3309
02:18:59,269 --> 02:18:55,300
the people they knew were military they

3310
02:19:02,519 --> 02:18:59,279
lived at a time when biracial couples

3311
02:19:06,179 --> 02:19:02,529
was really really not treated very

3312
02:19:09,240 --> 02:19:06,189
nicely and a lot of things they may want

3313
02:19:12,959 --> 02:19:09,250
to study and they became on ware

3314
02:19:15,390 --> 02:19:12,969
victims maybe I mean if you ask Cathleen

3315
02:19:17,610 --> 02:19:15,400
Martin of course was Betty Hills niece

3316
02:19:19,589 --> 02:19:17,620
or Stanton Friedman or people like that

3317
02:19:21,870 --> 02:19:19,599
don't say no look at all this evidence

3318
02:19:24,900 --> 02:19:21,880
it was something but the creatures they

3319
02:19:28,709 --> 02:19:24,910
allegedly saw are not matched by most

3320
02:19:31,530 --> 02:19:28,719
abductions very different yes but then

3321
02:19:33,480 --> 02:19:31,540
if you look at the entire like humanoid

3322
02:19:36,660 --> 02:19:33,490
sort of catalogue and my friend Albert

3323
02:19:38,940 --> 02:19:36,670
Rose Alice's work on various types of

3324
02:19:41,250 --> 02:19:38,950
aliens that have been described and

3325
02:19:43,169 --> 02:19:41,260
including in the modern UFO era mostly

3326
02:19:45,509 --> 02:19:43,179
in the modern UFO era you can have

3327
02:19:47,160 --> 02:19:45,519
hundreds of different types I mean

3328
02:19:48,450 --> 02:19:47,170
certainly when you see when you get

3329
02:19:50,370 --> 02:19:48,460
outside of the United States or even

3330
02:19:52,050 --> 02:19:50,380
North America and Canada we tend to

3331
02:19:53,280 --> 02:19:52,060
serve similar things going on but when

3332
02:19:55,920 --> 02:19:53,290
you start looking at in Europe or

3333
02:19:58,200 --> 02:19:55,930
Australia or Aboriginal or people that

3334
02:20:00,180 --> 02:19:58,210
are describing experiences in Africa in

3335
02:20:02,340 --> 02:20:00,190
other places where there's cultural

3336
02:20:04,200 --> 02:20:02,350
differences then they the aliens tend to

3337
02:20:06,750 --> 02:20:04,210
be culturally different - they are they

3338
02:20:09,930 --> 02:20:06,760
the different in appearance you can have

3339
02:20:12,990 --> 02:20:09,940
robots ones that look like like 1950s

3340
02:20:15,780 --> 02:20:13,000
robot and reptilians and like there's

3341
02:20:18,210 --> 02:20:15,790
maybe a thousand different species so I

3342
02:20:20,460 --> 02:20:18,220
wouldn't really in regards to Betty and

3343
02:20:22,920 --> 02:20:20,470
Barney Hill take two to heart that

3344
02:20:25,230 --> 02:20:22,930
they're they're aliens were different I

3345
02:20:26,850 --> 02:20:25,240
don't know I'm not discounting that it

3346
02:20:29,190 --> 02:20:26,860
could have been some sort of strange

3347
02:20:31,170 --> 02:20:29,200
sort of social experiment that was

3348
02:20:33,300 --> 02:20:31,180
carried out on them personally I do

3349
02:20:35,760 --> 02:20:33,310
believe there are paranormal aspects to

3350
02:20:38,040 --> 02:20:35,770
their case and I do believe something

3351
02:20:40,710 --> 02:20:38,050
actually did happen to them but I also

3352
02:20:42,210 --> 02:20:40,720
feel that that later on the hypnotists

3353
02:20:44,130 --> 02:20:42,220
and all the others that got involved in

3354
02:20:47,520 --> 02:20:44,140
the case sort of built on the on the

3355
02:20:50,430 --> 02:20:47,530
base narrative that sort of came out to

3356
02:20:51,750 --> 02:20:50,440
be the the later story that we have but

3357
02:20:52,950 --> 02:20:51,760
certainly something did absolutely

3358
02:20:54,840 --> 02:20:52,960
happen to them

3359
02:20:57,420 --> 02:20:54,850
and I think that it is important that

3360
02:21:00,060 --> 02:20:57,430
you did sort of hone in on the fact that

3361
02:21:02,220 --> 02:21:00,070
this was an interracial couple they did

3362
02:21:03,540 --> 02:21:02,230
have sort of societal pressures that you

3363
02:21:06,030 --> 02:21:03,550
know other couples may not have had

3364
02:21:08,130 --> 02:21:06,040
added on to whatever else was going on

3365
02:21:11,010 --> 02:21:08,140
in their lives at the time that could

3366
02:21:13,530 --> 02:21:11,020
have sort of influenced how this

3367
02:21:15,300 --> 02:21:13,540
experience played itself out or the

3368
02:21:18,180 --> 02:21:15,310
circumstances behind it we don't know

3369
02:21:20,700 --> 02:21:18,190
right that is something that is that we

3370
02:21:22,080 --> 02:21:20,710
need more of with other cases as well as

3371
02:21:24,540 --> 02:21:22,090
looking at the circumstance

3372
02:21:26,400 --> 02:21:24,550
of the witnesses maybe what was going on

3373
02:21:29,460 --> 02:21:26,410
with them and how these things might

3374
02:21:31,349 --> 02:21:29,470
have transformed them and and why they

3375
02:21:34,020 --> 02:21:31,359
appeared the way they appeared and is

3376
02:21:35,880 --> 02:21:34,030
there any symbolism in that and it's

3377
02:21:39,450 --> 02:21:35,890
possible anyway in my opinion that it

3378
02:21:42,360 --> 02:21:39,460
it's a symbolic language that is it is

3379
02:21:44,580 --> 02:21:42,370
coming out of the UFO experience you

3380
02:21:46,860 --> 02:21:44,590
know I think really you sort of

3381
02:21:48,920 --> 02:21:46,870
identified some of the the sectors that

3382
02:21:51,179 --> 02:21:48,930
are involved in some of the big

3383
02:21:53,160 --> 02:21:51,189
influences the groups the ufology

3384
02:21:54,990 --> 02:21:53,170
community the government the believers

3385
02:21:57,510 --> 02:21:55,000
and non-believers a religious side of

3386
02:22:01,020 --> 02:21:57,520
things and the mythology I think that

3387
02:22:03,750 --> 02:22:01,030
there is another group in there a

3388
02:22:07,139 --> 02:22:03,760
smaller group of people who are really

3389
02:22:09,719 --> 02:22:07,149
truly sincerely looking at the phenomena

3390
02:22:12,270 --> 02:22:09,729
from a critical thinking perspective I

3391
02:22:14,370 --> 02:22:12,280
know that seems like it might not be

3392
02:22:17,340 --> 02:22:14,380
that much different than some of the

3393
02:22:21,020 --> 02:22:17,350
rest but I'm one of them and I really do

3394
02:22:24,000 --> 02:22:21,030
think that when you distill it all down

3395
02:22:26,130 --> 02:22:24,010
that we have moved ahead from the 50s I

3396
02:22:29,550 --> 02:22:26,140
think that we can be as reasonably

3397
02:22:32,040 --> 02:22:29,560
confident now more than ever that we are

3398
02:22:35,730 --> 02:22:32,050
dealing with some sort of craft

3399
02:22:37,020 --> 02:22:35,740
I'm not saying spaceship but I certainly

3400
02:22:40,080 --> 02:22:37,030
don't see anything wrong with the

3401
02:22:42,860 --> 02:22:40,090
interstellar hypothesis but the idea

3402
02:22:45,840 --> 02:22:42,870
that we're dealing with craft is just so

3403
02:22:47,550 --> 02:22:45,850
sensible that I just can't see why it

3404
02:22:50,310 --> 02:22:47,560
would make any sense to say otherwise

3405
02:22:52,349 --> 02:22:50,320
unless we're dealing with an absolute

3406
02:22:54,150 --> 02:22:52,359
hoax or hallucination or something like

3407
02:22:56,730 --> 02:22:54,160
that but when we're talking about core

3408
02:22:58,950 --> 02:22:56,740
phenomena we're dealing with cropped as

3409
02:23:01,860 --> 02:22:58,960
causal factors here but that is a

3410
02:23:04,290 --> 02:23:01,870
hypothesis and that is that that's still

3411
02:23:07,110 --> 02:23:04,300
it's an untested hypothesis until you

3412
02:23:10,139 --> 02:23:07,120
have the said craft and you're in some

3413
02:23:11,969 --> 02:23:10,149
way able to sort of examine it from that

3414
02:23:13,469 --> 02:23:11,979
sort of materialistic point of views

3415
02:23:15,060 --> 02:23:13,479
that you've got you're able to have

3416
02:23:17,070 --> 02:23:15,070
scientists and engineers and that take

3417
02:23:20,190 --> 02:23:17,080
it apart and examine it it's still a

3418
02:23:22,710 --> 02:23:20,200
hypothesis and it can't be tested and

3419
02:23:25,349 --> 02:23:22,720
again science deals in the rational and

3420
02:23:27,480 --> 02:23:25,359
what we have here is very irrational so

3421
02:23:29,250 --> 02:23:27,490
well hang on I'm not talking about

3422
02:23:30,780 --> 02:23:29,260
science here I'm talking about something

3423
02:23:32,180 --> 02:23:30,790
called critical thinking which is a

3424
02:23:35,890 --> 02:23:32,190
little different it

3425
02:23:38,961 --> 02:23:35,900
a process of looking at the evidence and

3426
02:23:43,310 --> 02:23:38,971
identifying as best you can with the

3427
02:23:46,100 --> 02:23:43,320
most likely explanation is degree of

3428
02:23:48,560 --> 02:23:46,110
reasonableness that it's unreasonable

3429
02:23:51,350 --> 02:23:48,570
not to believe it but critical thinking

3430
02:23:54,591 --> 02:23:51,360
is a means of self examining your own

3431
02:23:56,841 --> 02:23:54,601
hypothesis and that's the thing so I

3432
02:23:58,490 --> 02:23:56,851
mean it's fine to have a hypothesis that

3433
02:24:00,020 --> 02:23:58,500
then that's good but if you're going to

3434
02:24:01,730 --> 02:24:00,030
apply critical thinking well then you

3435
02:24:04,371 --> 02:24:01,740
can you can apply critical thinking to

3436
02:24:06,740 --> 02:24:04,381
the hypothesis itself so it is only it

3437
02:24:09,140 --> 02:24:06,750
is only a hypothesis at this point

3438
02:24:12,020 --> 02:24:09,150
there's no evidence to support it it's

3439
02:24:14,961 --> 02:24:12,030
an untested hypothesis final segment

3440
02:24:19,970 --> 02:24:14,971
with Sue Ann Jean and Randall you're in

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yes the question what are we are we

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mystical phenomena Randall and Sewer

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engaged in the back-and-forth

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we are the excluded middle that's what

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we are Bishop told me

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Greg bishops right on we are the

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excluded middle and I do believe that

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yes if you're going to be examining this

3552
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you should apply critical thinking to it

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02:29:28,430 --> 02:29:26,101
but we have to realize it that when it

3554
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comes to hypotheses that are untested

3555
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that at the end of the day if we're

3556
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gonna say okay this seems more

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reasonable but that's still a belief

3558
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system that's still belief versus actual

3559
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sort of and that that is where critical

3560
02:29:41,900 --> 02:29:40,141
thinking comes in and then there is a

3561
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lot that has to go to it especially when

3562
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you're dealing with the witnesses you

3563
02:29:47,950 --> 02:29:45,301
have to sort of sort that wheat from the

3564
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chaff yes because there are people they

3565
02:29:52,461 --> 02:29:50,761
exaggerate or they add things on or the

3566
02:29:55,370 --> 02:29:52,471
other things that get such a complex

3567
02:29:58,070 --> 02:29:55,380
complex thing and at the end of the day

3568
02:29:59,450 --> 02:29:58,080
could this be spaceships maybe I'm not

3569
02:30:01,730 --> 02:29:59,460
willing to throw that baby out with the

3570
02:30:04,490 --> 02:30:01,740
bathwater but I'm saying that that has

3571
02:30:06,501 --> 02:30:04,500
been the predominant thinking over 50

3572
02:30:08,801 --> 02:30:06,511
years and it really has got us nowhere

3573
02:30:11,591 --> 02:30:08,811
at this point maybe it has inspired

3574
02:30:13,730 --> 02:30:11,601
technology that's something to consider

3575
02:30:16,131 --> 02:30:13,740
because as we're seeing these spaceships

3576
02:30:18,921 --> 02:30:16,141
it's certainly it is inspiring to people

3577
02:30:21,501 --> 02:30:18,931
it's inspired science fiction it's

3578
02:30:24,530 --> 02:30:21,511
probably inspired technology as well and

3579
02:30:27,020 --> 02:30:24,540
these you know these aviation engineers

3580
02:30:29,511 --> 02:30:27,030
I wouldn't be surprised if that's the

3581
02:30:32,751 --> 02:30:29,521
case you know it's a hypothesis and and

3582
02:30:34,490 --> 02:30:32,761
the one thing that I sort of I had some

3583
02:30:36,051 --> 02:30:34,500
personal correspondence with dr. Jacques

3584
02:30:39,140 --> 02:30:36,061
Vallee and the one thing he imparted on

3585
02:30:41,870 --> 02:30:39,150
me is that hypothesis is very good and

3586
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guesses even wild you can wildly

3587
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speculate that's all very good as long

3588
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as you realize at the end of the day

3589
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that is all it is it is a guess any

3590
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quartic that's accurate I'm sorry I

3591
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think that when you're dealing with

3592
02:30:56,690 --> 02:30:54,301
critical thinking you're not necessarily

3593
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beginning with a hypothesis what you're

3594
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doing is looking at a point of view and

3595
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a frame of reference identifying purpose

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goals and objectives gathering

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information data facts and so on and

3598
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what you're doing is you're using a

3599
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logical sensible way of distill

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what's most likely to be true to the

3601
02:31:19,590 --> 02:31:17,499
point where it's just as reasonable to

3602
02:31:22,760 --> 02:31:19,600
believe that as it is pretty much

3603
02:31:25,309 --> 02:31:22,770
anything else we believe based on

3604
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hypothesis or whatever else so I

3605
02:31:30,029 --> 02:31:27,789
understand critical thinking well you

3606
02:31:31,349 --> 02:31:30,039
start with question this is the basis of

3607
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science you have to start that what is a

3608
02:31:36,510 --> 02:31:34,060
UFO and then we can build the hypothesis

3609
02:31:38,929 --> 02:31:36,520
around it hypothetically well people are

3610
02:31:41,699 --> 02:31:38,939
describing what seems to be a spaceship

3611
02:31:44,760 --> 02:31:41,709
therefore can we test that hypothesis

3612
02:31:47,219 --> 02:31:44,770
currently no the basis of the question

3613
02:31:50,219 --> 02:31:47,229
still comes down to what is the

3614
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unidentified flying object yes when we

3615
02:31:54,090 --> 02:31:52,119
can apply critical thinking and to

3616
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individual cases sometimes we can debunk

3617
02:31:57,899 --> 02:31:55,810
which is actually a very good thing it's

3618
02:31:59,849 --> 02:31:57,909
it's good to sort of say okay so you

3619
02:32:02,189 --> 02:31:59,859
know I can go out and I can investigate

3620
02:32:04,649 --> 02:32:02,199
this case and I can prove a sort of

3621
02:32:06,349 --> 02:32:04,659
mundane explanation or it's more

3622
02:32:08,429 --> 02:32:06,359
reasonable to say that these people

3623
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absolutely we're looking at Venus

3624
02:32:12,599 --> 02:32:09,749
because this does happen on occasion

3625
02:32:15,479 --> 02:32:12,609
okay this does happen that that people

3626
02:32:17,699 --> 02:32:15,489
miss identify things or that hoaxes can

3627
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kind of unbe unraveled this is where I

3628
02:32:23,699 --> 02:32:19,630
think critical thinking really comes in

3629
02:32:26,159 --> 02:32:23,709
to play but as to the actual anomaly it

3630
02:32:28,590 --> 02:32:26,169
is still an anomaly and we are still

3631
02:32:30,960 --> 02:32:28,600
left with hypothesis based on our

3632
02:32:33,239 --> 02:32:30,970
question but we really have nothing

3633
02:32:35,819 --> 02:32:33,249
beyond that witnesses are saying that

3634
02:32:38,790 --> 02:32:35,829
this has happened to really support any

3635
02:32:40,649 --> 02:32:38,800
one single hypothesis and that's what we

3636
02:32:42,659 --> 02:32:40,659
argue for in the book is just simply

3637
02:32:44,189 --> 02:32:42,669
we're not saying we have any answers

3638
02:32:47,429 --> 02:32:44,199
we're just saying we need better

3639
02:32:49,260 --> 02:32:47,439
questions applied and better hypotheses

3640
02:32:51,239 --> 02:32:49,270
applied than what we have had so far

3641
02:32:54,389 --> 02:32:51,249
which really has not brought us any

3642
02:32:55,859 --> 02:32:54,399
closer to what this truly is and and

3643
02:32:58,170 --> 02:32:55,869
that's just that's my opinion we can

3644
02:33:00,599 --> 02:32:58,180
disagree and and we can respectfully

3645
02:33:03,269 --> 02:33:00,609
disagree because I I'm willing to admit

3646
02:33:04,859 --> 02:33:03,279
I could be completely 100% wrong but I

3647
02:33:06,809 --> 02:33:04,869
do agree with you I think critical

3648
02:33:08,939 --> 02:33:06,819
thinking is is necessary and I think

3649
02:33:10,319 --> 02:33:08,949
that there is a lot of to be said for

3650
02:33:11,729 --> 02:33:10,329
sorting the wheat from the chaff and

3651
02:33:14,790 --> 02:33:11,739
that's where the more nuts and bolts

3652
02:33:17,159 --> 02:33:14,800
sort of UFO approach can can be can be

3653
02:33:20,010 --> 02:33:17,169
very useful yeah

3654
02:33:22,739 --> 02:33:20,020
well absolutely if we talk about where

3655
02:33:24,840 --> 02:33:22,749
the word comes from what it is there's

3656
02:33:25,439 --> 02:33:24,850
isn't even agreement in the community as

3657
02:33:29,819 --> 02:33:25,449
to what

3658
02:33:31,409 --> 02:33:29,829
means but you know that I mean I think

3659
02:33:34,260 --> 02:33:31,419
I've got it figured out I went back and

3660
02:33:36,510 --> 02:33:34,270
did a whole word history and on the

3661
02:33:38,519 --> 02:33:36,520
thing and I think I've got to figure it

3662
02:33:41,969 --> 02:33:38,529
out but I know a lot of other people

3663
02:33:44,249 --> 02:33:41,979
certainly don't and when you put it into

3664
02:33:46,260 --> 02:33:44,259
perspective that perspective using the

3665
02:33:47,630 --> 02:33:46,270
principles of critical thinking and then

3666
02:33:51,119 --> 02:33:47,640
you look at well okay so what does

3667
02:33:54,119 --> 02:33:51,129
parapsychology that's something that

3668
02:33:56,159 --> 02:33:54,129
sort of people think can't be explained

3669
02:33:59,189 --> 02:33:56,169
by known psychological scientific

3670
02:34:01,679 --> 02:33:59,199
principles like extrasensory perception

3671
02:34:03,449 --> 02:34:01,689
or telepathy or what have you but what

3672
02:34:04,979 --> 02:34:03,459
if you can what if you can say okay by

3673
02:34:07,130 --> 02:34:04,989
the means of critical thinking if we

3674
02:34:10,079 --> 02:34:07,140
look at this as technology of some sort

3675
02:34:13,079 --> 02:34:10,089
is technology capable of producing the

3676
02:34:15,059 --> 02:34:13,089
phenomena is our technology capable of

3677
02:34:17,159 --> 02:34:15,069
producing the phenomena and if our

3678
02:34:22,079 --> 02:34:17,169
technology is capable of producing the

3679
02:34:24,269 --> 02:34:22,089
phenomena or at least has a reasonable

3680
02:34:26,760 --> 02:34:24,279
chance of producing it why would we

3681
02:34:28,709 --> 02:34:26,770
think it's not something technological

3682
02:34:29,579 --> 02:34:28,719
and why would we think it's something

3683
02:34:32,429 --> 02:34:29,589
not technology

3684
02:34:34,769 --> 02:34:32,439
yes because this this phenomena has been

3685
02:34:36,599 --> 02:34:34,779
occurring in various forms like if you

3686
02:34:38,069 --> 02:34:36,609
if you want to go back into history and

3687
02:34:40,170 --> 02:34:38,079
you want to take the idea that people

3688
02:34:41,969 --> 02:34:40,180
were seeing these things centuries ago

3689
02:34:43,649 --> 02:34:41,979
maybe they were describing them

3690
02:34:45,749 --> 02:34:43,659
differently but the exact same

3691
02:34:48,479 --> 02:34:45,759
experience is being described by the

3692
02:34:50,909 --> 02:34:48,489
witness and certainly you know there's

3693
02:34:53,309 --> 02:34:50,919
no evidence for that back then as far as

3694
02:34:55,739 --> 02:34:53,319
it being human involvement as far as it

3695
02:34:58,050 --> 02:34:55,749
being interstellar travel well we still

3696
02:34:59,609 --> 02:34:58,060
we haven't done that we have zero

3697
02:35:01,170 --> 02:34:59,619
evidence that there is any life other

3698
02:35:03,449 --> 02:35:01,180
than ours at this point as much as we

3699
02:35:08,189 --> 02:35:03,459
desire there to be there really is zero

3700
02:35:09,809 --> 02:35:08,199
evidence for that well we know that is

3701
02:35:12,569 --> 02:35:09,819
something completely completely

3702
02:35:14,519 --> 02:35:12,579
different than the ethology said I still

3703
02:35:16,979 --> 02:35:14,529
has not produced any sort of evidence

3704
02:35:19,229 --> 02:35:16,989
and and but something that has to be

3705
02:35:21,809 --> 02:35:19,239
considered as well everything that we

3706
02:35:24,479 --> 02:35:21,819
have points to the fact that human

3707
02:35:26,969 --> 02:35:24,489
beings on planet Earth experience this

3708
02:35:28,920 --> 02:35:26,979
so if we're going to go with critical

3709
02:35:31,199 --> 02:35:28,930
thinking and logic then that would did

3710
02:35:33,840 --> 02:35:31,209
note that this is an earth-based

3711
02:35:36,479 --> 02:35:33,850
phenomena see astrophysicists and I have

3712
02:35:37,080 --> 02:35:36,489
asked us two physicists this are not

3713
02:35:40,320 --> 02:35:37,090
saying that there

3714
02:35:42,150 --> 02:35:40,330
seeing this beyond our solar system or

3715
02:35:44,130 --> 02:35:42,160
even within our solar system I mean this

3716
02:35:46,170 --> 02:35:44,140
isn't something that people experience

3717
02:35:48,120 --> 02:35:46,180
right here on earth and usually and

3718
02:35:49,590 --> 02:35:48,130
sometimes in the really best case is the

3719
02:35:51,420 --> 02:35:49,600
ones that produce the most interesting

3720
02:35:52,980 --> 02:35:51,430
sort of evidence tend to be at close

3721
02:35:55,110 --> 02:35:52,990
range so they're not even really that

3722
02:35:57,120 --> 02:35:55,120
high up in the you know that's not like

3723
02:35:58,950 --> 02:35:57,130
they're way up there with the cruising

3724
02:36:00,780 --> 02:35:58,960
altitude that we see our aircraft there

3725
02:36:03,750 --> 02:36:00,790
they're much closer at least they're

3726
02:36:05,550 --> 02:36:03,760
perceived that way sure we see a lot of

3727
02:36:09,630 --> 02:36:05,560
them here but that's just because we are

3728
02:36:11,340 --> 02:36:09,640
here we also know if the insiders can be

3729
02:36:14,730 --> 02:36:11,350
believed that they've been trapped

3730
02:36:17,130 --> 02:36:14,740
coming into Earth from outside the

3731
02:36:19,170 --> 02:36:17,140
atmosphere I mean simply because we see

3732
02:36:21,120 --> 02:36:19,180
them here we see comets here too we see

3733
02:36:22,889 --> 02:36:21,130
shooting stars here - do we say well

3734
02:36:25,469 --> 02:36:22,899
that's an earth-based phenomena because

3735
02:36:26,700 --> 02:36:25,479
a shooting stars here or we find a

3736
02:36:29,160 --> 02:36:26,710
meteor on the ground

3737
02:36:31,740 --> 02:36:29,170
but we can measure the comet and we have

3738
02:36:34,620 --> 02:36:31,750
done so in space we have no evidence to

3739
02:36:36,420 --> 02:36:34,630
suggest that the UFO is in space but if

3740
02:36:37,710 --> 02:36:36,430
this person knows this and they have to

3741
02:36:39,480 --> 02:36:37,720
produce the evidence and that evidence

3742
02:36:42,270 --> 02:36:39,490
has to be made available to other

3743
02:36:45,510 --> 02:36:42,280
scientists to examine why I asked you if

3744
02:36:48,690 --> 02:36:45,520
you had maybe later today sue another

3745
02:36:50,670 --> 02:36:48,700
half-hour or 35 minutes we can continue

3746
02:36:53,490 --> 02:36:50,680
this on our supplementary show after the

3747
02:36:56,700 --> 02:36:53,500
Parra cast is that possible oh I think

3748
02:36:59,010 --> 02:36:56,710
that would be fun I make a tea though

3749
02:37:01,440 --> 02:36:59,020
first for those who are know more about

3750
02:37:04,440 --> 02:37:01,450
what you do where do they go they can

3751
02:37:07,830 --> 02:37:04,450
look at my website which is that Susan

3752
02:37:10,040 --> 02:37:07,840
st. Clair comm and that gives links to

3753
02:37:12,300 --> 02:37:10,050
other places that I have contributed to

3754
02:37:15,360 --> 02:37:12,310
some background information on myself

3755
02:37:16,980 --> 02:37:15,370
and my research interests my blog and

3756
02:37:20,160 --> 02:37:16,990
other things and social media

3757
02:37:24,060 --> 02:37:20,170
so Susan st. Clair comm will have it

3758
02:37:27,599 --> 02:37:24,070
linked at the power cast cot where's

3759
02:37:29,700 --> 02:37:27,609
your site located oh that's a UFO pages

3760
02:37:32,010 --> 02:37:29,710
calm for the ufology Society

3761
02:37:33,540 --> 02:37:32,020
International and yeah looking forward

3762
02:37:36,480 --> 02:37:33,550
to the after the pear cast we've got a

3763
02:37:39,060 --> 02:37:36,490
question from Blowfish here we'll get in

3764
02:37:41,280 --> 02:37:39,070
there and sorry we didn't get it in on

3765
02:37:43,380 --> 02:37:41,290
the main show but it's coming up you can

3766
02:37:45,450 --> 02:37:43,390
find us on Twitter if you look for the

3767
02:37:46,969 --> 02:37:45,460
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3768
02:37:49,869 --> 02:37:46,979
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3769
02:37:53,510 --> 02:37:49,879
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3770
02:37:54,800 --> 02:37:53,520
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3771
02:37:56,840 --> 02:37:54,810
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3772
02:38:00,079 --> 02:37:56,850
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3773
02:38:01,939 --> 02:38:00,089
about with Susan Demeter st. Claire we

3774
02:38:03,889 --> 02:38:01,949
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3775
02:38:07,249 --> 02:38:03,899
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3776
02:38:10,099 --> 02:38:07,259
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3777
02:38:13,189 --> 02:38:10,109
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3778
02:38:15,619 --> 02:38:13,199
Paul Kimball okay and Holly Stevens but

3779
02:38:18,649 --> 02:38:15,629
you have to write to him from our forum

3780
02:38:21,260 --> 02:38:18,659
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3781
02:38:23,989 --> 02:38:21,270
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3782
02:38:25,670 --> 02:38:23,999
go to plus toff the power cast com+ that

3783
02:38:27,800 --> 02:38:25,680
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3784
02:38:30,229 --> 02:38:27,810
Susan thanks for joining us in the power

3785
02:38:32,449 --> 02:38:30,239
cast thank you both so much

3786
02:38:34,069 --> 02:38:32,459
it was it was wonderful to talk with you

3787
02:38:36,139 --> 02:38:34,079
both and I always feel really good

3788
02:38:39,050 --> 02:38:36,149
afterwards and getting different ideas

3789
02:38:53,890 --> 02:38:39,060
going and thoughts I really appreciate

3790
02:38:59,801 --> 02:38:56,890
the para cast featuring gene Steinberg

3791
02:39:02,820 --> 02:38:59,811
and Christopher O'Brien is a copyrighted

3792
02:39:06,520 --> 02:39:02,830
presentation of making the impossible